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Title: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on June 08, 2011, 12:28:15 am
JP just tweeted the title and track list. 9 songs!!

1. On the Backs of Angels (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far from Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface (5:26)

Can not WAIT!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on June 08, 2011, 01:08:42 am
JP just tweeted the title and track list. 9 songs!!

1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This is the Life
5. The Shaman's Trance
6. Outcry
7. Far from Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath the Surface

Can not WAIT!!!

no doubt the theme of this album :) awesome!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Swedish Goose on June 08, 2011, 03:14:38 am
The title of the album is rather corny to me but this together with the titles of the songs makes me hope for a full concept album this time.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on June 08, 2011, 03:45:27 am
The title of the album is rather corny to me but this together with the titles of the songs makes me hope for a full concept album this time.

corny? Hmmm ... I personally find that the title of the album sounds very interesting and intriguing.

(I am so looking forward to the new album which will be fabulous beyond all doubt .. :)).


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on June 08, 2011, 04:09:23 am
Yeah!!! This only adds to my excitement! Can't wait to hear it  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on June 08, 2011, 09:02:33 am
I was pretty sure that they wouldn't release the album title and songs this early. But that's sounds great. Another long album title. The last info I got was that it would have 6 songs, and now there are 3 more reasons why I can't wait to hear it!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on June 08, 2011, 09:54:04 am
Wow. To be honest, the album title somewhat sounds out of DT but it's OK.

It's fucking amazing that these lyrics titles have many potential. When I saw The Shaman's Trance I said: "HEY WTF?" :D But I have a feeling it's instrumantel.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Araxes on June 08, 2011, 10:15:34 am
Can't wait to hear Outcry.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 08, 2011, 10:16:06 am
I am curious and anxious to see where this one takes us.....


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: sabonim on June 08, 2011, 10:46:12 am
I am curious and anxious to see where this one takes us.....

agreed!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on June 08, 2011, 12:42:14 pm
the release date of A Dramatic Turn of Events:


SEPTEMBER 13th


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on June 08, 2011, 01:14:12 pm
Here's the full press release:

(New York, NY): The recent announcement that Mike Mangini would be joining Dream Theater, replacing departed drummer Mike Portnoy, caused such fanfare that  Mangini was a trending topic on Twitter, second only to England's Royal Wedding. Now, the band is revealing more information about their upcoming album. The new album is titled A Dramatic Turn of Events. The much-anticipated platter, which marks Mangini's recorded debut, will be released via Roadrunner Records on September 13th and will be supported by a massive world tour.
 
"I'm incredibly psyched with the way this album came out and can't wait to share it with everybody," guitarist John Petrucci, who also serves as the producer for A Dramatic Turn of Events, said. "We are currently in the mix stage with the great Andy Wallace and it's all sounding amazing!"
 
"We have poured our hearts and minds into the creation of this album," keyboardist Jordan Rudess offered. "All the life changing events that surrounded us before, as well as during the whole process, fueled our desire to dig deep within ourselves and create the best music we possibly could."
Vocalist James LaBrie said, "In the grand scheme of Dream Theater's career, the last several months have been such an incredibly positive, fulfilling and rewarding experience. The new songs and sound has never been so spirited or rejuvenating. I cannot wait for every one of our fans to sink their audio senses into this batch of tunes."
The track listing for A Dramatic Turn of Events is as follows:
 
1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This is the Life
5. The Shaman’s Trance
6. Outcry
7. Far From Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath The Surface
 
About DREAM THEATER:
 
Progressive metal band Dream Theater formed in 1985 under the name Majesty by John Petrucci, John Myung and Mike Portnoy. Though a number of lineup changes followed, the three original members remained together along with James LaBrie and Jordan Rudess until September 8, 2010, when Mike Portnoy left the band. In October 2010, the band held auditions for a new drummer, and added Mike Mangini to its roster.
 
Dream Theater’s tenth studio album, Black Clouds & Silver Linings (Roadrunner Records), was released on June 23, 2009. It entered the U.S. Billboard 200 at #6 and Eurochart Hot 100 at #1, marking their highest entry on either chart. Black Clouds & Silver Linings - a highlight of their 25-year career - was praised by Mojo magazine’s Paul Elliott: “…their lofty ideals remain intact. By modern criteria, Black Clouds & Silver Linings is as highbrow as The Mars Volta, as grandiose as Muse and as heavy as Metallica.”
 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on June 08, 2011, 02:06:57 pm
Yeah, the title is a bit meh, talk about being subtle... just call it "MP left the band" since you're at it  ;D

But I dig the song titles, they make me assume an album more introspective and musically deep, a mix of the first half of Octavarium and the latest album, nothing like Train of Thought or Systematic Chaos.... I also appreciate that there are 9 songs, it was since SFAM that an album didn't have so many tracks... I hope for shorter tunes and very diverse, like I said more than once, I want an album NOT *like* Awake, but *as varied* as Awake, that had many types of songs.... looking forward to this!!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 08, 2011, 02:27:35 pm
Thank you to all who created and contributed to this thread to keep us informed here.  I appreciate it!   This is gonna be killer...I can feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel it......
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/26/excellentsmith128642390789938484.jpg)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 08, 2011, 03:08:25 pm
I hope the title is the worst thing about the new album) But after everyone'll get used to it and cut it down to ADTOE (hey, this sounds cool even now), it's gonna be ok. Looking at the tracklist, Awake structure pops into view, but then again - who can tell, really. I like the titles so far, and The Shaman's Trance sounds like an instrumental track.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 08, 2011, 03:16:26 pm
I know there are people who think the title is a bit ...well "cheesy" as how I have seen it described, but give the boyz a break.  They are only describing their experinces in lyrics / music.  It's the oldest thing in the book - entitling a song after something you have been through or have felt that was your inspiration for writing that music in the first place. 

Not everything has to have a "nugget" or has to be written in "code" for us to figure out.  I would rather some things be blatant; with tact, of course. 
I have always said it before.....if you had to do it, then just exactly how would YOU do it?  Go on and put it out there and see the response YOU get...am I right? 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on June 08, 2011, 03:27:35 pm
I agree with Donna. Coded titles and artwork are very nice, but sometimes a less hermetic album works really well. I feel DT is inviting us to share the bad and good things which happened due to this Dramatic Turn of Events. I feel that the artwork will be something very realistic as well, like FII. The right way to do that would be using photography. Can't wait to hear/see it!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on June 08, 2011, 03:29:20 pm
I have always said it before.....if you had to do it, then just exactly how would YOU do it? 

Well, simple, I would have chosen a neutral title  ;D I was SO happy when the title of Black Clouds & Silver Linings had no reference whatsover to the number 10, being their tenth album.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on June 08, 2011, 03:55:10 pm
I like the title. It's completely appropriate.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 08, 2011, 04:01:39 pm
I have always said it before.....if you had to do it, then just exactly how would YOU do it? 

Well, simple, I would have chosen a neutral title  ;D I was SO happy when the title of Black Clouds & Silver Linings had no reference whatsover to the number 10, being their tenth album.

Ok, then.  Go on out, record and albun and do it your way, amico mio!   ;D ;D ;D  But for now, this is the way, DT wants to do it.  And I agree with the faction of fans that think this album title is completely appropriate.  I can't wait for it to KICK MY A$$...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on June 08, 2011, 04:04:56 pm
Thank you to all who created and contributed to this thread to keep us informed here.  I appreciate it!   This is gonna be killer...I can feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel it......
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/26/excellentsmith128642390789938484.jpg)


I'm just proud as all get out to have my first, "stickied" thread ever!!!

Oh also... I love the album and song titles. I think the album title is appropriate.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on June 08, 2011, 05:46:20 pm
Agree with Donna.

Deep Purple's "The Battle Rages On" pops up into mind. That was the last DP album on which Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan played together and the title was an obvious reference to the band's internal turmoil. What's wrong with referencing what everyone already knows?


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Araxes on June 08, 2011, 06:09:08 pm
The obvious thing will be to relate the album name with the events on DT's camp. But I don't think that is necesarily true. It could very well mean a dramatic turn of events on a fictional character from the album, it could be the title of a conceptual work, or a title that has symbolic meaning, a not a literal one.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on June 08, 2011, 07:46:24 pm
I like the title, it may seem pretty literal, but to me it sounds like a book title or a chapter title...which is why I think I dig it so much.
I DO hope Shamam's Trance is not just an instrumental...coz if they tap into a song lyrically about a shaman and ALSO WITH some cultural musical influences that would kick SO much ass. I love the 9 tracks listing and song titles... I hope there is atleast one epic, however. And with 9 songs...damn, that has GOT TO be 80 minutes of music. For me, being the metal head, I am just nervous that there may be too much of the Octavarium feeling/variety. Now don't get me wrong, I love the Octavarium album...but I am a 'Panic Attack' kind of guy, if you get my drift. But anyone knows DT has ALWAYS been my favorite band of all time because they can do songs like 'The Answer Lies Within'.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 09, 2011, 02:27:06 am
I am frankly a bit disappointed that every other point of view other than "wow, this is great" is met with "Go and do you it yourself and see what the response is. If you can't, well then shut up". For one, this is the poorest argument ever. I do what I do, and good I do it though, I have my fair share of criticism. DT guys do what they do, and what they do is meant to be discussed. Music is subjective. You like the new album title, I don't, fine. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. This doesn't mean that I'm any less of a DT fan. Neither it means I'm going to be prejudiced about their music. God knows I always take them as they are, and I always will. But opinions differ. Let's maybe try to deal with this fact without clapping "if you don't like it, go and do it yourself" over somebody else's mouth, thank you.
I swear it was the last time I sort of ranted on this board.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 09, 2011, 09:59:24 am
Nobody is saying that everyone's opinion doesn't count.  Everyone has an opinion - I realize that for sure. 
However, this argument is as old as time that when a band puts out anything at all, it's going to spark criticism.  Don't you think at times it's a little much?  We are ALWAYS picking, picking, picking.....and no, for once, I don't agree with you that it is not a poor argument in this case.  When you are TELLING the band how they should do something in their own craft over and over again, IT GETS OLD.  I am not saying you should be kissing their ass conitunally and stroking their egos, but IT'S THEIR MONEY that they earned.  If we don't like it, we don't have to buy it, and give them our money, right?  Let them create the way they want.   And before anyone throws at me "Well, you can't go censoring everybody's opinion"...I want to just put this out:  By always criticizing the band, are we not censoring them to fit into our own mould of what we want them to be?  "Well...what you did was good, but I would have done it THIS way....."....just sayin'.... ;)

Example:  I can not STAND Tom Waits.  I for the life of me can't understand how this guy gets a recording contract.  I undertstand he is ecclectic, and he's different, and that he appeals to different people.  HOWEVER, I don't go to his web page and tell him to "tone it down a bit" for people like me who think that he is just a bit "too much".  I feel it disrespectful to him as an artist, and even though I can't listen to his music for nothing, there are others who do and I am not going to ruin it for them.   As long as the artist is not being blantantly offensive, racist or down right immoral, then fine.  Go on and create if it makes you happy.  And if you get fans doing what you do, then that's just the cherry on the sundae.   :)

Constructive criticism is one thing.  But DT's album isn't even OUT yet, and people are already pcking on the name?????  Oie vay......give it a rest.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on June 09, 2011, 11:37:02 am
As for me, the title is weird, least to say. If somebody asks me 'Which band record album with such title', I'll say Rhapsody of Fire.

Reading previous posts, I want to emphasize - it's about the title, not the album, which I won't judge until I hear the music. I'm also not gonna tell 'They should did it this way'. It's 100% their choice. I just don't like it.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 09, 2011, 11:43:54 am
Let's get something clear. Point me exactly where I said the band should or should not do something. I never ever said this and never will. Also, you can't blame me on critisizing the band, their music or decisions - I NEVER do that. All I said was I DIDN'T LIKE THE NEW ALBUM TITLE. Period. And the right to have my say is mine.
Sorry, but the example with Tom Waits is again absolutely irrelevant. The difference is, we all are DT fans here. And we respect what they do hugely. I didn't register on this forum just to say I didn't like the album. I didn't say anything disrespectful, rude or offensive.
There's no such thing as constructive criticism from a music fan. They either like what they hear/see or not.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 09, 2011, 12:32:56 pm
Well then we aren't understanding each other here - and we just have to agree to disagree.  And sorry if my post seemed to be aimed at you alone Natt.  I never meant it to be.  No, I never said you criticize the music, I was making a general statement about how fans will not only BEGIN at saying "I don't like the title"...but then go further - it's just a fact that you can't please everbody with what you do, and we will always be under the microscope of someone else's opinion when we are in the public eye.  THAT is my point through the examples of what I was trying to explain.  I wasn't trying to attack you personally. 

I would love to see James weigh in on this topic, frankly. I mean, it pretty obvious why the chose that name and he shouldn't have to defend WHY they chose it.    But then, let me pose this question to all of you who don't like the album name:

What would YOU name it? 

Put it out here and let's see your suggestions.   


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on June 09, 2011, 12:57:17 pm

What would YOU name it? 

Put it out here and let's see your suggestions.   

We have to hear it first, to make such suggestions  ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 09, 2011, 01:08:03 pm
I see your point too, Donna. I don't like it when people say "they should have done this and that, it should have sounded like this..." myself, especially when they're saying it on artist's official board. Let's agree on that.
I can absolutely see the reasons behind that title - and frankly, every DT fan who hasn't been living under a rock for the last 9 months or so must see it too. I never questioned that and won't do it now. They did what they thought was right, and honestly I'm not a bit less excited about the release. it's the music that matters the most. For God's sake.
But... I'm pretty stoked to see answers to the BIG QUESTION. Just for the kicks. I hope no one takes it serious.
I can even begin (just to show you how pointless and stupid it looks)
Where Did The Rudess Hat Go? (Rather philosophical one)
Radioactive Mice and Theory of Relativity (very proggy)
Metropolis Part 3 (kind of obvious one)
The Suicidal Lemmings Riot
The Starbucks Chronicles
The Big Shock, or Why It's Never Good To Google Your Own Name If You're Famous (a bit too long but we're talking PROG here)



Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on June 09, 2011, 01:13:02 pm
I rather think the title is a bit tongue in cheek, like they are poking fun at how dramatic everything got for a while there. It's clever. I mean normally, the guys are ANYTHING but dramatic.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on June 09, 2011, 02:28:26 pm

What would YOU name it? 

Put it out here and let's see your suggestions.   

I honestly, though it might sound simple and less creative, was expecting a self titled album. That's would be my choice. You know, Dream Theater. I would try to show that despite the dramatic turn of events, we're still the band our fans have followed. However, I don't dislike the title they had chosen.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Subu on June 09, 2011, 02:47:41 pm
Fans trying to tell a band what to name their album is, to my mind, like a viewer telling Da Vinci that the Mona Lisa smile needs teeth.....c'mon....who CARES what the album is titlled as long as the music ROCKS?  I'm willing to bet no one who has posted their "opinions" would care for others telling them what to name their kid, how to dress or what to listen to (even though the person offering such "advice" would likely adamently defend their right to voice *their* opinion!)......I agree with Donna....very disrepsectful.  DT are brilliant artists - do they need people telling them how to create?  No way.......

However, that said, the idea of leaking info is to get a buzz going about the new cd, get people interested and wanting to purchase and go to the live shows......as Michael Jackson used to say, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"........ so, all this chatter and useless speculation keeps the album in the forefront of buyers minds....and that is a good thing as far as DT is concerned. 

I'll wait to hear the album and let the music speak for itself......I have far too much to do in life to get all worked up over an album title...... ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on June 09, 2011, 04:36:25 pm
Who knows...it's still more than 90 days until the release, maybe they will change the title  ::) ...

I listened to 'Awake' twice today. I think it has been close to 2 years since I have listened to that straight through...and 2 times no less. Damn, EVEN I forgot there were 11 whole tracks and close to 80 minutes of music. SOOOooooo hopefully with 9 tracks on ADToE, there will certainly be a couple longer epics. I definitely consider Voices and Scarred epics. I have to admit, I like the longer track listing just because there should me more varied songs, and 9 tracks means 9 songs of James singing his heart out. Unless The Shaman's Trance is an instrumental. Hey the 6:30 minutes songs are more accessible, and if this new album gains DT even MORE success, record sales, radio play, ALL THE BETTER!

And BTW, Mummi---Rhapsody of Fire is my OTHER all time favorite band, so if the new DT album title sounds like them--- ALL THE BETTER! LOL.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: heylchick on June 09, 2011, 07:07:37 pm
This thread brings a ton of deja vu for all of us.  With the band changing drummers, and a new album...of course this is going to insight criticism and drama...wouldn't be DT world without it. I am going to TRY and put my two cents in.  I am a simple, less eloquent person when putting my thoughts together..but let me take a stab at the DT album dilemma presented here in this thread.

Dream Theater means a lot to me.  Their music has gotten me through some tough times, helped me grow emotionally, brought positivity in a world of insanity and MOST importantly; gave me the gift of life-long friendships in this forum and other related DT forums.

My mind is trying to comprehend the thought of people in any capacity "jumping the gun" and already start criticizing and surmising "A Dramatic Turn of Events" before the project is even released.  If you think that this new phase of Dream Theater has been easy for the band members, their family and friends, the record label and the fans..I am confident guessing that it hasn't. What we need is more support in a positive way..not people being bringing their opinions that are not conducive to helping the band. People are absolutely entitled to their opinion....but DON"T COME to a band members site...put your criticism in, and then NOT expect to not be agreed with or then challenged- that is totally unrealistic.  We're entitled to our opinion too, right?  I rather spend my energy on my family and friendships than posting in a band members forum that I am a fan of to purposely to portray myself as a "naysayer" in any shape or form.  If I have a bad things to say (trust me, I have had a TON of things to say about DT)...I say it privately to my friends, or just "let it be".

Feel free to discuss my opinion.  Looking forward to the new DT journey.  Thank you DT, thank you forum, thank you friends.

P.S. Donna..I have your chap stick right here. I will kiss your ass any time  :-*

 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 09, 2011, 07:13:36 pm
OMGosh, girl.....you NEVER need to.  All I need to do is turn my "Tinkie lantern" on in my window sill, and it's allllllllllllllllllllllllll good.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: heylchick on June 09, 2011, 07:32:32 pm
OMGosh, girl.....you NEVER need to.  All I need to do is turn my "Tinkie lantern" on in my window sill, and it's allllllllllllllllllllllllll good.

Damn strait.  I am here for you anytime. For the endless, thankless job that you have done here...kudos and cheers to you.  James should be proud of how tasteful things were handled in here over the years, and how you shaped a forum with approaching/enforcing a positive tone.

Thanks my bella.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 10, 2011, 01:59:00 am
Who knows...it's still more than 90 days until the release, maybe they will change the title  ::) ...

I listened to 'Awake' twice today. I think it has been close to 2 years since I have listened to that straight through...and 2 times no less. Damn, EVEN I forgot there were 11 whole tracks and close to 80 minutes of music. SOOOooooo hopefully with 9 tracks on ADToE, there will certainly be a couple longer epics. I definitely consider Voices and Scarred epics. I have to admit, I like the longer track listing just because there should me more varied songs, and 9 tracks means 9 songs of James singing his heart out. Unless The Shaman's Trance is an instrumental. Hey the 6:30 minutes songs are more accessible, and if this new album gains DT even MORE success, record sales, radio play, ALL THE BETTER!

And BTW, Mummi---Rhapsody of Fire is my OTHER all time favorite band, so if the new DT album title sounds like them--- ALL THE BETTER! LOL.
For some reason when I saw the playlist and title of the new album, I immedately drew parallels with Awake.I wonder if I'm right or wrong about it. Well, no 2 DT albums are ever the same. So I'm very much looking forward to hearing some new tricks, a little change of sound maybe. And I can only hope the lyrics will not be so straightforward as ANTR or TCOT off the previous album this time, I like a good deal of subtlety in lyrics. Yeah, I'm the bad guy, the naysayer and criticizing the album before it's even out, we've been through that, no need to start it all over :)
Also, I would very much like The Shaman's Trance to be an instrumental. We haven't  had a proper LP instrumental from DT since what, ToT? I miss that, too.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: goo-goo on June 10, 2011, 08:10:54 am
The title sounds like something Iron Maiden would put out..LOL

Anyways, I don't like the title but the music is what counts. Let's see what DT comes up with. I think it's going to be a superb release!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on June 10, 2011, 09:19:27 am
Anyways, I don't like the title but the music is what counts. Let's see what DT comes up with. I think it's going to be a superb release!
+ zillion


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on June 10, 2011, 04:01:06 pm
A Dramatic Turn of Events condenses to ADTE... You could call it A Dream Theater Experience :P for those who want it otherwise.






(i could care less what the title is... just glad to know there is a title and track list and release date out. :) )


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on June 11, 2011, 12:31:27 pm
From DT's facebook:

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/248385_10150205108827181_7677942180_7655858_3708615_n.jpg)
Here we are in the studio today with Andy Wallace


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on June 11, 2011, 12:32:00 pm
I like the title, it may seem pretty literal, but to me it sounds like a book title or a chapter title...which is why I think I dig it so much.
I DO hope Shamam's Trance is not just an instrumental...coz if they tap into a song lyrically about a shaman and ALSO WITH some cultural musical influences that would kick SO much ass. I love the 9 tracks listing and song titles... I hope there is atleast one epic, however. And with 9 songs...damn, that has GOT TO be 80 minutes of music. For me, being the metal head, I am just nervous that there may be too much of the Octavarium feeling/variety. Now don't get me wrong, I love the Octavarium album...but I am a 'Panic Attack' kind of guy, if you get my drift. But anyone knows DT has ALWAYS been my favorite band of all time because they can do songs like 'The Answer Lies Within'.

You might get a Panic Attack realizing that without MP, one real metal-fan has jumped off the Dream Theater-train ;) Wait and see. Or, perhaps more approriate: wait and hear!

I doubt however, you will dislike it if it gets a little more mellow. It's still Dream Theater, correct?  ;) Otherwise, get back to your "Panic Attacks", "Glass Prisons", "Dying Souls" and "Mirrors", if you catch my drift  :D

Obviously, looking at song titles gets your imagination going. But just as clear as that, we all know song-titles don't say much at all. Look, anticipate, wonder, and leave it at that. No needs at all to get nervous - already!!  :)

My 5 cents on it.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on June 14, 2011, 03:27:14 pm
from the Cap't himself via Twitter.



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Hey all you crazy rock heads. Start rehearsals next week, then shortly thereafter hit the road. Time to melt your brains. Raaaawk.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on June 15, 2011, 12:50:43 pm
JP answered a question about the name of the album. It helps to clear - or not - some of the discussion in this thread. Quoting an entire post by RHDOTR, from MP's forum:

"RHDOTR: BTW, in an interview with Israeli online metal magazine, Metalist (yeah, original name indeed), the interviewer asked Petrucci (it's written in hebrew and I just translate, so maybe there are a few wrong words choise, but I think I kept the meaning the same):
 
Interviewer: "The name of the album immediately connects to last year's events - A Dramatic Turn of Events. is it possible to guess that the musical direction evolves in a dramatic way aswell, now that Mike Portnoy is not part of the band?"
And Petrucci answered: 
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on June 15, 2011, 07:43:19 pm
HA! Well there you go.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on June 16, 2011, 03:34:42 pm
Sounds like the thematic material for the new album is pretty deep.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 16, 2011, 04:37:01 pm
This is what I like to read.....am looking very forward to this very....VERY....much.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on June 17, 2011, 06:27:35 am
And Petrucci answered: 
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."

I believe that the new album is very profound, multifaceted, and I love the interviews with JP, I think, he is not only a gifted, brilliant guitar virtuoso but also a profound person and musician. I am very much looking forward to the new DT album, and I am very curious about the songs "Outcry" and "The Shaman's Trance" ... but ... all song titles sound very intriguing ... excellent ..


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on June 28, 2011, 12:06:21 pm
Quote from: JP's Twitter
New DT album is all mixed and mastered as of today. First show of the tour in Rome in less than a week! Looking forward to seeing everyone.

woot!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on June 28, 2011, 01:28:27 pm
On the Backs of Angels  will be available at June 29th at 11 AM EST on Roadrunner YouTube channel


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on June 29, 2011, 11:05:23 am
LINKY LINKY|!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/RoadrunnerRecords#p/u/0/oasnbzEMV08


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Jamie on June 29, 2011, 11:08:20 am
LINKY LINKY|!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/RoadrunnerRecords#p/u/0/oasnbzEMV08


This song. I have 3 minutes left, and I don't want it to end. This is what I was looking forward to hearing.  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2011, 12:09:01 pm
If 'On the Backs of Angles' is any indication of what this album is going to be like, then I am stoked! I love the song, think that DT sounds fantastic! Great to hear James 'singing' again and not screaming....and oh yeah...there is a Bass player in DT.
  Great Job Guys! Cannot wait until Sept.!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 19, 2011, 05:24:30 pm
New interview From JP and JM about us fans is up on Roadrunner records (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Responds-To-Fans-23135.aspx)





Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on July 19, 2011, 07:55:15 pm
New interview From JP and JM about us fans is up on Roadrunner records (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Responds-To-Fans-23135.aspx)

Jealous: "JM: It's an amazing album, I've been listening to it every night before I go to sleep, I don't seem to get tired of it. There are a lot of different things to focus on"


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 19, 2011, 07:56:14 pm
New interview From JP and JM about us fans is up on Roadrunner records (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Responds-To-Fans-23135.aspx)

Jealous: "JM: It's an amazing album, I've been listening to it every night before I go to sleep, I don't seem to get tired of it. There are a lot of different things to focus on"

gets them ready for doing songs live :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on July 20, 2011, 05:40:29 am
Man, I'm so excited about this album!!! I'm sure it's gonna blow BC&SL out of the sky!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on July 20, 2011, 01:16:15 pm
It's always great to get a few words from JMX :-)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Araxes on July 21, 2011, 02:37:58 pm
Official track lengths:
 
1. On the Backs of Angels (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface (5:26)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 21, 2011, 03:04:46 pm
Official track lengths:
 
1. On the Backs of Angels (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface (5:26)


a song under 5 min by DT is hard to fathom... :P but anything is possible


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on July 21, 2011, 03:12:59 pm
Official track lengths:
 
1. On the Backs of Angels (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface (5:26)


a song under 5 min by DT is hard to fathom... :P but anything is possible

Maybe it's an intro?  :D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on July 21, 2011, 03:46:49 pm
LOL!!!! ^^^^^   ;D 

I am looking at those times and thinking, this is gonna be just what the Doctor ordered.... ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on July 21, 2011, 03:52:20 pm
Hmmm… No epics. Interesting. Seems like the tunes will be straight and to the point.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on July 21, 2011, 04:26:40 pm
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on July 21, 2011, 05:11:17 pm
No epics! Thank GOD!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on July 21, 2011, 06:28:22 pm
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)
Oh, absolutely. Those were great!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on July 22, 2011, 12:39:22 am
I love epics! But hey! OTBOA lasts almost 9 minutes and Breaking all Illusions lasts 12, so we still have some lengthy stuff for those prog freaks like me ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 22, 2011, 12:59:58 am
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)

i forgot about Wait For Sleep only being 2minutes and 32 seconds long... (not to make people feel old here, but I was 2 when I&W came out... 5 with Awake.) I was more making a joke :P about a 3:56 song :P between a song 11:24 and 12:25.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on July 22, 2011, 09:12:21 am
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)
not to make people feel old here

Yet you managed  :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on July 22, 2011, 10:11:27 am
I edited my original post with the track lengths.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 22, 2011, 11:11:04 am
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)
not to make people feel old here

Yet you managed  :P

and yet I'm still not one of the "youngest" on the board...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on July 22, 2011, 03:33:51 pm
Hey, remember about IAW's and Awake's songs lengths.  ;)
not to make people feel old here

Yet you managed  :P

and yet I'm still not one of the "youngest" on the board...

Well...ya knoooooooooooooow....my daughter lurks with me here sometimes.....she's gonna be 8....(just kidding)...but she does stand behind me while waiting to use the ccomputer after I delete spam here.... ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: TL on July 24, 2011, 01:33:21 am
First, let me say that as a fan since 2004, and as a fan who has extensively listened to the entire discography, On the Backs of Angels is a FANTASTIC TRACK! I absolutely love it! It's just so damn good all around! The writing is good, the production is good, it's just a great song to listen to! I haven't had chills like this since listening to Blind Faith on the Six Degrees album.

I liked ToT, Octavarium, SC, and BC&SKL, but based on the on song released, A Dramatic Turn of Events seems like the logical successor to SDOIT. I mean that as a good thing.

James, you sound fantastic on this song! (Also, I've listened to a youtube video of DT performing Caught In A Web in Moscow less than a month ago, and James, you sound amazing on it! I mean, you've always sounded good, but HOLY SHIT, YOU SOUND INCREDIBLE ON THAT SONG!). It's one of my favorite songs, and honestly ,that version is probably going to make it into heavy rotation on my MP3 player. I hope you guys release a live DVD this tour, because James, you are on fire!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on July 24, 2011, 03:25:57 pm
I hope you guys release a live DVD this tour, because James, you are on fire!
^This.
It's a demand)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 25, 2011, 04:00:11 pm
an image of what the box set looks like inside


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on July 25, 2011, 04:01:35 pm
an image of what the box set looks like inside


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/
uuuhhh... yum)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on July 25, 2011, 04:04:13 pm
an image of what the box set looks like inside


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/
uuuhhh... yum)


I can't wait for my b-day now :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Stephanus on July 28, 2011, 06:21:42 pm
A first review of the new album is available on Rich Wilson's website.

http://www.rich-wilson.com

It sounds very very promising!

 :o


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on July 28, 2011, 06:56:09 pm
A first review of the new album is available on Rich Wilson's website.

http://www.rich-wilson.com

It sounds very very promising!

 :o

I don't want to read it because I want to listen to the album without preconceptions and with an open mind. On the other hand, as much as I respect Rich, I disagree with some of his views on DT's albums. He called BC&SL (an album where you can't hear the bass at all and with some of the worse lyrics John Petrucci ever penned) "their most solid effort since SFAM". I will still read Rich's review, but after I've heard the album myself  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on July 29, 2011, 03:31:19 pm
A first review of the new album is available on Rich Wilson's website.

http://www.rich-wilson.com

It sounds very very promising!

 :o

I don't want to read it because I want to listen to the album without preconceptions and with an open mind. On the other hand, as much as I respect Rich, I disagree with some of his views on DT's albums. He called BC&SL (an album where you can't hear the bass at all and with some of the worse lyrics John Petrucci ever penned) "their most solid effort since SFAM". I will still read Rich's review, but after I've heard the album myself  ;D
Rich seems to have enjoyed the album very much. I think you'll like the review when you read it! :)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on August 05, 2011, 11:22:15 am
Here's a clip of "Bridges in the Sky" from the band's official YouTube page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrrapMGIx8&feature=player_profilepage


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on August 05, 2011, 11:30:19 am
Here's a clip of "Bridges in the Sky" from the band's official YouTube page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dr​eamtheater

If the link won't open, try it without "user". That's how it worked for me.

And man, that sample only makes me urge for more!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on August 05, 2011, 12:36:39 pm
Fixed link.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on August 05, 2011, 02:55:46 pm
Won't listen, lalalala!!! *covers ears* *tries hard to have an unspoiled experience this time*


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on August 05, 2011, 03:41:40 pm
Totally loving that clip. James sounds awesome!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dave52 on August 05, 2011, 05:47:19 pm
Damn, that is sounding good.  Also - there was an interview with James from the High Voltage festival, and that had intro/outro riffs that must've been from the album.

It's all sounding very, very groovy...!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on August 06, 2011, 11:42:43 pm
Damn, that is sounding good.  Also - there was an interview with James from the High Voltage festival, and that had intro/outro riffs that must've been from the album.

It's all sounding very, very groovy...!

Actually that was Raw Dog that they did for the God of War soundtrack. It was the last thing they recorded with MP.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dave52 on August 08, 2011, 01:34:35 am
Actually that was Raw Dog that they did for the God of War soundtrack. It was the last thing they recorded with MP.

Ah... Ok, I didn't know that - thanks for the info.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on August 08, 2011, 07:30:40 am
Here's a clip of "Bridges in the Sky" from the band's official YouTube page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrrapMGIx8&feature=player_profilepage
--
Amazing! Great clip, great song, sounds like Dream Theater and yet so refreshingly different, and James sounds phenomenal.
I can't wait to hear the complete album. I am so curious and excited ... DT works are never boring.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on August 09, 2011, 08:47:45 pm
OMG!!! If this clip is as good as the whole song, Asianhawk will be be a VERY happy boy!! Serious riffage!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 10, 2011, 04:11:36 pm
wow Sept 13th is a busy CD day. DT, Anthrax, and Megadeth... WOW  :o


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Progemon on August 12, 2011, 04:59:43 pm
I've so far liked OTBOA, BITS teaser and Breaking all illusions clip is musically beyond awesome! Wow!  :o

... but sonically.... I'm getting worried... BAI was the worst sounding clip out of the released stuff this far. I didn't like how OTBOA sounded on youtube and the mp3 wasn't that much better either. Not getting my hopes up as this doesn't bode well for the audio quality of the album.  :(


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 15, 2011, 12:13:20 am
wow Sept 13th is a busy CD day. DT, Anthrax, and Megadeth... WOW  :o

add Alice Cooper to that date too...  :o :o


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on August 16, 2011, 05:34:35 pm
Call me internet impaired but what happened with the song called The Shaman's Trance?????


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 16, 2011, 07:35:48 pm
Call me internet impaired but what happened with the song called The Shaman's Trance?????

it was renamed "Bridges in the Sky"  :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on August 17, 2011, 01:21:07 pm
Thought so  ;) but this was announced somewhere or it's just something DT did hush-hush without really explaining it?


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 17, 2011, 05:33:23 pm
Thought so  ;) but this was announced somewhere or it's just something DT did hush-hush without really explaining it?

James explained it... and press releases have notes about it...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on August 18, 2011, 01:32:49 pm
Ok, then I just didn't notice it  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on August 22, 2011, 07:59:12 pm
Maybe someone has already commented on this, but did you notice the similarities between DT new album cover and this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4jRuNb5VzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4jRuNb5VzU) Great song, by the way...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on August 26, 2011, 06:26:16 am
New promo photo.

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7963/33399611566042520033910.jpg)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 26, 2011, 10:48:20 am
Genie, The Cap't and the Wizard in sunglasses.... funny.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Swedish Goose on August 26, 2011, 12:02:56 pm
Genie, The Cap't and the Wizard in sunglasses.... funny.

The new guys  :-\


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 26, 2011, 01:19:07 pm
Genie, The Cap't and the Wizard in sunglasses.... funny.

The new guys  :-\

more the trouble makers...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on August 29, 2011, 03:27:47 pm
You've got to admire JP's guns in that picture.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on August 29, 2011, 07:04:37 pm
The picture is cool, but when you really think about it isn't it funny just having them on a rooftop with JR in a folding chair.  The reality of publicity shots just cracks me up sometimes.
JP doesn't need the sunglasses as he would just kicks the sun's ass if it got to be too much in his eyes. 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on August 29, 2011, 07:39:29 pm
The picture is cool, but when you really think about it isn't it funny just having them on a rooftop with JR in a folding chair.  The reality of publicity shots just cracks me up sometimes.
JP doesn't need the sunglasses as he would just kicks the sun's ass if it got to be too much in his eyes. 

JP doesn't get Sun spots... the sun gets JP spots ehh?


*shot for the JP/Chuck Noris-ish joke* :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on August 31, 2011, 02:24:33 am
Here is an interesting interview with Jordan Rudess: http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-a-dramatic-turn-of-events-491674


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on August 31, 2011, 03:32:32 am
I'm still deciding where can I purchase it to get it on the very September 9th :-/


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on August 31, 2011, 11:38:59 am
Here is an interesting interview with Jordan Rudess: http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-a-dramatic-turn-of-events-491674

What a great interview. Thanks for posting this!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on August 31, 2011, 03:53:21 pm
Yes, that's a great interview. Thanks so much!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on September 01, 2011, 07:47:55 pm
2 weeks left and DT has reached top 10 on amazon. Great!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 05, 2011, 02:39:29 am
Here is a review of ADTOE by Phil Ashcroft: http://www.rocktopia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=910:cd-reviews&id=1514:dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events&Itemid=121


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 05, 2011, 06:38:48 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Swedish Goose on September 05, 2011, 10:11:09 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D

Not on my Spotify :-(

But that's OK, I will wait until I have the CD in my hand. Just one more week....


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 05, 2011, 12:36:23 pm
http://www.theaureview.com/albums/dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events-2011-lp Amazing review! In Germany, the album will be released on September, 7th or 9th. I can't wait ... :)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 05, 2011, 02:33:59 pm
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D

You lucky!!! but even if I could, I won't  :P I decided I would resist, and I will, it takes a little more patience... I have heard *twice* On the Back of Angels and that's it, I have not heard any of the snippets, I don't even want to read reviews describing the songs or checking on Wikipedia the lengths of the tracks or who wrote them. It's killing me but soon my patience will be rewarded and I'll have a full, untainted and unspoiled DT experience  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 05, 2011, 02:48:39 pm
You are torturing yourself Andrea  :D

I have heard the album... but I will keep my mouth shut here until next week.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 05, 2011, 06:19:16 pm
As I have discovered on a whim...the album has completely leaked. I won't say anything except...the best album since SFAM and TOT!! And if you wanted James to blast us NON-STOP in the face with all the HIGH singing...YOU GOT IT BABY!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 05, 2011, 11:47:43 pm
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D
I don't see it on Spotify. Are you sure you didn't download it? Spotify shows your local music library in its listings by default.

I downloaded BC&SL when it leaked in 2009. I regret not waiting until it came out, cause there's nothing like buying an album then listening to it for the first time. That box set would have been a lot more special if I hadn't heard the album before. Never again!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 06, 2011, 12:03:27 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D
I don't see it on Spotify. Are you sure you didn't download it? Spotify shows your local music library in its listings by default.

I downloaded BC&SL when it leaked in 2009. I regret not waiting until it came out, cause there's nothing like buying an album then listening to it for the first time. That box set would have been a lot more special if I hadn't heard the album before. Never again!


um... not something you want to talk about on a forum where a member of the band is present... just food for thought.



otherwise... SEPT 13th COME SOONER! The suspense is killing me!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 06, 2011, 12:38:35 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D
I don't see it on Spotify. Are you sure you didn't download it? Spotify shows your local music library in its listings by default.

I downloaded BC&SL when it leaked in 2009. I regret not waiting until it came out, cause there's nothing like buying an album then listening to it for the first time. That box set would have been a lot more special if I hadn't heard the album before. Never again!


um... not something you want to talk about on a forum where a member of the band is present... just food for thought.
I shouldn't talk about not wanting to download the album? My mind's blown.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 06, 2011, 01:21:24 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D
I don't see it on Spotify. Are you sure you didn't download it? Spotify shows your local music library in its listings by default.

I downloaded BC&SL when it leaked in 2009. I regret not waiting until it came out, cause there's nothing like buying an album then listening to it for the first time. That box set would have been a lot more special if I hadn't heard the album before. Never again!


um... not something you want to talk about on a forum where a member of the band is present... just food for thought.
I shouldn't talk about not wanting to download the album? My mind's blown.

I'm talking about the BCSL bit...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 06, 2011, 01:35:53 am
The album is on Spotify! I can listen to it legally using Spotify  ;D
I don't see it on Spotify. Are you sure you didn't download it? Spotify shows your local music library in its listings by default.

I downloaded BC&SL when it leaked in 2009. I regret not waiting until it came out, cause there's nothing like buying an album then listening to it for the first time. That box set would have been a lot more special if I hadn't heard the album before. Never again!


um... not something you want to talk about on a forum where a member of the band is present... just food for thought.
I shouldn't talk about not wanting to download the album? My mind's blown.

I'm talking about the BCSL bit...
I dunno. I thought it would have been a little disingenuous to say that I'm not going to download the album without saying that I downloaded Black Clouds before it came out. It's like a recovered drug addict saying that he used to do drugs. I don't do it anymore. I was young and foolish. Please forgive me. ;_;


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 06, 2011, 06:58:35 am
See all these talks about downloading the album when leaked? this is the very reason I'm avoiding all snippets and previews of the album. I've always purchased *all* DT albums on release date or at the very first possible day, but I can't really say that the first time I put the actual CD in the player was the first time at all I heard the albums. Very well remembering how there were situations in which I was purchasing an album I was already knowing, if not by heart, at least quite well, I've committed this time to have a completely unspoiled experience. I don't want to know anything, I'm almost "pissed" that I read that the last track is a slow piece like Coming Home.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 06, 2011, 08:25:41 am
I'm almost "pissed" that I read that the last track is a slow piece like Coming Home.
Great, now I'M pissed! (not that it's a slow piece-- that I know it's a slow piece)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on September 06, 2011, 08:29:56 am
Well guys. I know you try not to spoil but somehow you do.

So, let this "leaked and download" discussion vanish and wait for 12-13th September.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on September 06, 2011, 09:47:06 am
I know that we are all anxious for the release of this CD, but just a friendly reminder- please do not post any links, or any websites that have leaked  to ADTOE before the release date out of respect to the band members. 

Thank you!   ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 06, 2011, 05:06:03 pm
Hey I never downloaded it and would never do that. I listened to it live streaming. I have the most protective fire walls on my computer but I never download anything due to the fact that A. I don't want a virus!  B. I won't steal, and C. I won't pay for a 'download' when I am just going to buy the REAL CD.
But a couple listen times through is enough for me. I can wait the full week patiently now!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 07, 2011, 03:40:24 am
Not trying to incourage downloading the album in any kind of way of course, but there are many safe ways to get stuff nowadays.... anyway, I applaud your internet chilvarly  ;)

And you're lucky to wait just a week, the first chance I'll have to get the album is the saturday after the release date, argh!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 07, 2011, 03:50:38 am
Here is an audio interview with Jordan Rudess. He also talks about the writing process for "A Dramatic Turn of Events"
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Audio-Interview-With-Dream-Theater-Keyboardist-Jordan-Rudess-23359.aspx


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 07, 2011, 06:09:19 am
Cool interview. Thanks, Diana!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 07, 2011, 10:53:48 am
Here is a great new interview with John Petrucci: http://iheartguitarblog.com/2011/09/interview-dream-theaters-john-petrucci.html


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 08, 2011, 12:18:38 pm
Released in Australia already...any Aussies in the house?   Lucky bastards.  ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 12:56:06 pm
 :o Check out the DT page. WHOA!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on September 08, 2011, 01:58:21 pm
Well, it's not the most elegantly designed page that I've ever seen.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 02:04:27 pm
Well, it's not the most elegantly designed page that I've ever seen.

A rather dramatic turn of events for the page ehh?



*shot for pun*


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 08, 2011, 02:54:21 pm
:o Check out the DT page. WHOA!

Ehmmmm... I don't see any change, and I have read people in other forums saying they don't see any change either.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 03:04:00 pm
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/251/f/1/dt_page_screenshot_by_w34vi1-d498zjt.png)


so people don't think I'm even more crazier then I already am...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 08, 2011, 03:19:16 pm
Ash, I'm seeing what you're seeing too))


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 03:26:53 pm
according to Roadrunner Jeremy on Twitter... he can't even see it either, and he's the one who made it. :P


I know this because he responded to my saying that you all think I'm crazy here.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 08, 2011, 04:05:20 pm
according to Roadrunner Jeremy on Twitter... he can't even see it either, and he's the one who made it. :P


I know this because he responded to my saying that you all think I'm crazy here.
so are we like the chosen ones? because I can see the new design too.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Swedish Goose on September 08, 2011, 04:14:07 pm
I can see it. The ones who can not should probably just empty their browser cache.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 04:39:40 pm
according to Roadrunner Jeremy on Twitter... he can't even see it either, and he's the one who made it. :P


I know this because he responded to my saying that you all think I'm crazy here.
so are we like the chosen ones? because I can see the new design too.

I donno.


I can see it. The ones who can not should probably just empty their browser cache.

yeah that should solve the problem.. if not. who knows...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on September 08, 2011, 06:01:48 pm
:o Check out the DT page. WHOA!

Ehmmmm... I don't see any change, and I have read people in other forums saying they don't see any change either.

Me too. There's still BC&SL design.

I can see it. The ones who can not should probably just empty their browser cache.
yeah that should solve the problem.. if not. who knows...

I did. But it didn't help  :(


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 06:06:45 pm
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/251/f/1/dt_page_screenshot_by_w34vi1-d498zjt.png)


so people don't think I'm even more crazier then I already am...


well this is at least a sample of what it looks like. For those who can't seem to view it yet...  :(


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 08, 2011, 06:49:39 pm
Good to see a fresh look...be better to see a Denver date added to that tour schedule!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 08, 2011, 07:02:09 pm
Good to see a fresh look...be better to see a Denver date added to that tour schedule!

to be honest the schedule doesn't allow them to stop in Denver... Maybe they will do a second leg, and you will see them there.

I should put little flags with my tour date agenda :P


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: SeRoX on September 09, 2011, 12:23:42 am
My copy is on the way. Probably i'll get it tomorrow. YAY!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 09, 2011, 03:20:20 am
My copy is on the way. Probably i'll get it tomorrow. YAY!

So is mine :) Ordered on play.com


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Araxes on September 09, 2011, 06:53:08 am
The album is streaming from Roadrunner's web page. Is it OK to discuss it??


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 09, 2011, 10:53:59 am
I just read on some other forum that ADTOE debuted #1 in Japan!!! Here's the link with the news:

http://www.bravewords.com/news/168639

I'm proud of Dream Theater!!! I love this band and will always support them!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 09, 2011, 12:12:52 pm
I poked on the Roadrunner German site to feed my curiousity, but it didn't work so I'm back to waiting.  It is going to be a long weekend.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 09, 2011, 01:00:31 pm
The album is streaming from Roadrunner's web page. Is it OK to discuss it??


well it is on the label's website :) so that makes it legal to talk about...


and i think Karma has got me back... I could see the update to the site yesterday, and today I can't find the stream of the album. C'est La Vie...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 09, 2011, 01:45:03 pm
Damn, now I'm torn. If it's on their label, it means they just want people to hear it..... but I'm still determined to wait for the purchase of the actual CD..... damn!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 09, 2011, 01:47:46 pm
"A Dramatic Turn Of Events" is SPECTACULAR. Simply sensational. I am deeply impressed and overwhelmed.
I LOVE Beneath the Surface, a wonderful ballad (but not a standard ballad) and I love the instrumental parts in Outcry and Breaking All Illusions. The guitar solo in This Is The Life is amazing and Bridges in the Sky has a brilliant intro (I can't wait to hear this song live) and I love Far from Heaven - it is short, but so beautiful and emotional. James' singing sounds incredible. I adore his voice. It is so emotional and expressive. We are extremely impressed. We LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Dream Theater!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 09, 2011, 02:56:05 pm
I am absolutely in love with Beneath the Surface and Far from Heaven ... so beautiful ...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on September 09, 2011, 03:02:57 pm
I have 3 new releases this week to look forward to: 
ADTOE
Thor
X-Men

Wowowowowow!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 09, 2011, 03:19:05 pm
Once again the meanings are very divided. I've read lots of reviews on the net the past week, and some people even claim this album is very bad  ;D Apparently this cd is not to everyone's taste. Review scores on sites where people can vote indicate this one gets a 3.8/3.9 out of 5. On Progarchives especially there are some bad reviews on this album.

You can picture how some start their review. 'I've been a DT-fan for 10 year, I love the band, etc, etc. But... (and here it comes), I really can't stand this album'. Some say This Is The Life is utterly boring, and that they just recycled old albums and all that shit. It annoys me deeply. It's like people complain about the fact this Dream Theater-album sounds like a Dream Theater-album.




Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 09, 2011, 04:07:19 pm
These are the losers that have probably never been to a DT concert, probably own like 1 or 2 albums, and illegally download all the rest(if that). In fact, I would bet money they have NEVER seen them live. I rarely will read reviews...I just don't need to get all flamed up from the hating for the sake of hating on DT....Just reading your post about these 'fans' started to burn my blood. I will say this: The new album definitely needs to take a few spins to absorb it. But...doesn't ANY DT album?
I am so sick of people saying that a DT album just sounds like another DT album. WHAT OTHER BAND SOUNDS ANYTHING LIKE DT?? Oh Hells yeah, 100 bands try COPYING DT for sure...
So if a DT album sounds like....a DT album...there's an issue with that?? What?? Do they want DT to sound like Avenge Sevenfold now, or something?? Yeah...coz DT would sound GREAT trying to imitate Papa Roach....wouldn't they??
Arrrrr Dargs, you got me all fired up now, damn it!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 09, 2011, 04:24:24 pm
Calm down... take a deep breath, close your eyes... count to 10, or 100... then breath again. Relax  ;) These people exist. But in some sense the 'bad reviews' are funny. In the sense that they are predictable. I've read the very same after Octavarium, after Systematic Chaos... and after BC & SL... don't get me started  :D

I do read the meanings out of interest. It also shows that music sounds different for everyone. What I just never will get is how people can claim they are a fan, and still give this album two stars out of five. You can tell a lot about this new album, and there is a lot to say for sure, but it racks up among the best!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 09, 2011, 04:56:22 pm
heh i still can't find the stream of the album...  :( and I am still waiting for the information saying that my box set has been sent. Ah well... if i can last til the 12th I can get it when RR lets me download it (LEGALLY)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: jonny108 on September 10, 2011, 07:44:22 am
heh i still can't find the stream of the album...  :( and I am still waiting for the information saying that my box set has been sent. Ah well... if i can last til the 12th I can get it when RR lets me download it (LEGALLY)
\

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.de/page/webwheel+DreamTheater (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.de/page/webwheel+DreamTheater)

and you haven't had the email yet? You should have it Monday probably. Or tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 10, 2011, 09:01:21 am
Once again the meanings are very divided. I've read lots of reviews on the net the past week, and some people even claim this album is very bad  ;D Apparently this cd is not to everyone's taste. Review scores on sites where people can vote indicate this one gets a 3.8/3.9 out of 5. On Progarchives especially there are some bad reviews on this album.

You can picture how some start their review. 'I've been a DT-fan for 10 year, I love the band, etc, etc. But... (and here it comes), I really can't stand this album'. Some say This Is The Life is utterly boring, and that they just recycled old albums and all that shit. It annoys me deeply. It's like people complain about the fact this Dream Theater-album sounds like a Dream Theater-album.



These are the losers that have probably never been to a DT concert, probably own like 1 or 2 albums, and illegally download all the rest(if that). In fact, I would bet money they have NEVER seen them live. I rarely will read reviews...I just don't need to get all flamed up from the hating for the sake of hating on DT....Just reading your post about these 'fans' started to burn my blood. I will say this: The new album definitely needs to take a few spins to absorb it. But...doesn't ANY DT album?
I am so sick of people saying that a DT album just sounds like another DT album. WHAT OTHER BAND SOUNDS ANYTHING LIKE DT?? Oh Hells yeah, 100 bands try COPYING DT for sure...
So if a DT album sounds like....a DT album...there's an issue with that?? What?? Do they want DT to sound like Avenge Sevenfold now, or something?? Yeah...coz DT would sound GREAT trying to imitate Papa Roach....wouldn't they??
Arrrrr Dargs, you got me all fired up now, damn it!
I also have read some reports and I was surprised by the negative reviews of some fans. Some reviews seem to me extreme. Absolutely insubstantial and indiscriminate. Well ... but generally, the resonance is extremely positive (here in Germany - not only among fans but also in the press) and the grumblers need to make way :). I personally love the album in all its facets. I love the overall compositions, the harmonies, the melodies, the vocal lines - I especially adore "Far From Heaven", the piano accompaniments are equal in status to the vocal lines as well as highly sensitive and varied. So wonderful. The instrumental parts in "Outcry" and "Breaking All Illusions" are really spectacular. And "This Is The Life" is anything but boring.
"A Dramatic Turn Of Events" is an absolute masterpiece, compositionally brilliant (in my opinion). Excellent!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 10, 2011, 10:51:58 am
I also have read some reports and I was surprised by the negative reviews of some fans. Some reviews seem to me extreme malicious. Absolutely insubstantial and indiscriminate.
Which just confirms the new album is going to be great ;) because every DT album gets heavily critisized - even before it's out.  :) Looks pretty a healthy sign to me :)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 10, 2011, 11:16:15 am
And really, what is the point of downloading and listening to it on a computer? Unless you have the actual CD and can blast it in your stereo, you cannot feel the effects.... I suppose some may have some really good speakers hooked up to a laptop...but how can the quality be even close to the same as a CD from an illegal download?
Most of these 'fans' are criticizing the new album buy listening to it streaming from 'youboob'...That's supposed to give you a clear idea about all the intricate nuances of each song?? Give me a break!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Herr on September 10, 2011, 11:28:40 am
And really, what is the point of downloading and listening to it on a computer? Unless you have the actual CD and can blast it in your stereo, you cannot feel the effects.... I suppose some may have some really good speakers hooked up to a laptop...but how can the quality be even close to the same as a CD from an illegal download?
Most of these 'fans' are criticizing the new album buy listening to it streaming from 'youboob'...That's supposed to give you a clear idea about all the intricate nuances of each song?? Give me a break!!

The magic word is FLAC.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 10, 2011, 11:37:40 am
Hmmmm...Well I kinda figured. But I have never illegally downloaded CDs, nor would I ever feel it is the same as an actual physical CD.
50 millions years about I used to use audiogalaxy to discover bands, and then just buy the CD. Since literally 99% of the bands I listen to are NOT from America, so just about the only way I can discover bands has been metal-archives.com. Or from forums like this one.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 10, 2011, 01:06:35 pm
I can't wait to have my digital copy on Monday and then my big ol' box set the next day (or whenever UPS brings it)!!!! I'm so freakin' excited!

In other news, I was in a freakishly bad mood last night and, uncharacteristically, blasted SEVERAL "fans" on Dream Theater's FB page that were trashing the album as garbage and posting "BRING BACK PORTNOY" and crap like that. Yeah... my forked tongue, which I previously had under control, came out and pushed them into levels of frustration and anxiety that they didn't count on. I feel so petty, but people like that piss me off something fierce.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 10, 2011, 01:34:24 pm
I have my pc-sound on my big stereo, and I never heard any difference between a '320' mp3 and a cd. With FLAC, it is even better of course.   


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 10, 2011, 03:48:01 pm
I didn't find too many negatives comments on the DT FB page...maybe I am looking in the wrong spot. I would like to see what you wrote back to them...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 10, 2011, 04:00:52 pm
Man, be careful what you ask for!!  ;D ;D

Are you ready, Asianhawk?  I mean, ready?  Taken your pills, fastened your seatbelts... have a wall nearby to slam your fists against to unleash the fury??

Here it goes (from Progarchives.com).

---------------

Quote
Everyone knows Dream Theater's astonishing history. Coming out of nowhere (kind of, if you skip their largely ignored first album) with Images and Words and blowing everyone away. Well those days are long gone, and the creative spark that once burned so brightly has long since faded and gone out altogether.
If you rate this album against all of Dream Theater's others, it's a 2 star effort at best. It only doesn't merit 1 star because it isn't offensively bad like Systematic Chaos, it's just incredibly bland and boring. I was really hoping that Portnoy's departure would finally reverse the trend they've been following of becoming more and more of a regular metal band who occasionally plays random notes very fast. Sadly, this is still here in full force. Certain things have been improved with Portnoy leaving in some areas (he doesn't sing/growl anymore, for a start), but astonishingly I'd go so far as to say this is worse without him.

When Mangini was brought in I think a lot of people who had grown tired of the bland formula Dream Theater appear to have settled in hoped we'd see a return to form. Unfortunately, the chances of this happening were dealt a blow when we discovered that the entire album had already been written and - amazingly - Mangini wouldn't even be allowed to write his own drum parts. Instead, Petrucci, a guitarist, wrote them for him. This is completely inexcusable to me, and it really shows on the record. The drums are barely there, the weakest they've probably ever been on a Dream Theater album. It also spoke volumes about how inflexible they've become, especially for a band that once blazed a trail of originality and variation.

The closest thing I can compare it to in their catalogue is Octavarium, itself an incredibly boring album, except without the fantastic title track to elevate it above tedium. There isn't a single song on here that I'd consider to be "good" in any sense of the word, and none of them even begin to approach being great. There's one 3 or 4 minute section in the second half of Breaking All Illusions that's worth a listen, and that's it for the entire album, it's quite remarkable. The people saying things like "it's one of their three best, along with Images & Words and Scenes"... I really don't even know what to say. How anyone can love an album like Images & Words and somehow compare it to A Dramatic Turn of Events is beyond me.

If it wasn't for Systematic Chaos (which I consider one of the worst albums ever made - by any band) this would be the weakest album in the band's history. Sadly Portnoy's replacement hasn't made a tiny bit of difference. One can only hope that next time around Mangini will have some input, and Dream Theater will go back to doing something they were once great at - being original - but I've long since lost interest.

It honestly makes me sad, once upon a time Dream Theater were my favourite band, a powerhouse in their genre. But something happened after Six Degrees, and everything they've done since then - with the exception of a handful of great songs - has been bland/boring/uninteresting/tedious/repetitious, or just plain bad.

Bonus Game: Listen for all the melodies and other elements they've ripped from past albums for this one, there's a lot.

Are you there?  And most important of all, are you ok??  ;D
 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: MuumiPeikko on September 10, 2011, 05:17:15 pm
I facepalmed like about 5 times, while reading this. Poor guy/girl. He(she) must be a masochist - he(she) listen to the such a weak album again and again, to find another one weak place ;D

Once at Powerofmetal.org forum I read such post: "You should listen to the music, not masturbate on it." Unfortunately, those, who wrote this "reviews" prefers second option  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 10, 2011, 07:35:02 pm
Oh my God...This guy is just from another planet. He must literally think that DT has to stay in the 1990's. But if they always made 1990's sounding music, he would complain about them saying there is no growth. I DO agree with him about the drums, to be perfectly honest. I am waiting to just listen to the CD at full blast in my stereo... But the drums really do seem bland and set way in back of each song. And I was afraid of that from the beginning since JP wrote all the drum parts.
I will give him credit, he sounds like an educated person and not just randomly 'hating' on DT.... But seriously, he has been stuck in his mode of thinking all DT post 6SoIT is 'bland' so there is no changing his mind. He is clearly the 'prog' fan and dislikes the 'metal' side. The dude needs to listen to Spock's Beard then if have doesn't want anything heavy.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: lutima on September 11, 2011, 04:40:09 am
I received the album in the mail on Friday and let me help you all  ;)
To me this is one of the best album DT ever made.
I love it from start to finish..I never expected DT would be so unbelievable great after MP left.

Thanks DREAM THEATER for never letting me down !  8)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 11, 2011, 06:09:25 am
Are you there?  And most important of all, are you ok??  ;D
Pffft. This person thinks Octavarium is a boring album, I didn't bother to read any further.

But then again, DT music has ALWAYS been about controversy among the fans. I swear if IAW or SFAM were released now, they would be cannoned with negative reviews and only in 10 years' time would they be undisputedly referred to as 'classic' and 'masterpiece'.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 11, 2011, 11:03:49 am
And really, what is the point of downloading and listening to it on a computer? Unless you have the actual CD and can blast it in your stereo, you cannot feel the effects.... I suppose some may have some really good speakers hooked up to a laptop...but how can the quality be even close to the same as a CD from an illegal download?
Most of these 'fans' are criticizing the new album buy listening to it streaming from 'youboob'...That's supposed to give you a clear idea about all the intricate nuances of each song?? Give me a break!!
I listen to all my music on my computer. I rip my CDs as FLAC and toss the files in my music folder. Then the CDs are likely never touched again. I'm 18 though, so I guess I constructed my music listening method around the technology I grew up with. :D

Granted, my speakers aren't much to brag about. I should probably invest in some better ones. But Dream Theater sounds great whether you're listening to them through a thousand dollar sound system or a 10 dollar portable radio. Not that I've ever heard Dream Theater on the radio.

Also, ONLY A COUPLE MORE DAYS UNTIL THE ALBUM COMES OUT, WOO!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 11, 2011, 12:54:56 pm
And really, what is the point of downloading and listening to it on a computer? Unless you have the actual CD and can blast it in your stereo, you cannot feel the effects.... I suppose some may have some really good speakers hooked up to a laptop...but how can the quality be even close to the same as a CD from an illegal download?
Most of these 'fans' are criticizing the new album buy listening to it streaming from 'youboob'...That's supposed to give you a clear idea about all the intricate nuances of each song?? Give me a break!!
I listen to all my music on my computer. I rip my CDs as FLAC and toss the files in my music folder. Then the CDs are likely never touched again. I'm 18 though, so I guess I constructed my music listening method around the technology I grew up with. :D

Granted, my speakers aren't much to brag about. I should probably invest in some better ones. But Dream Theater sounds great whether you're listening to them through a thousand dollar sound system or a 10 dollar portable radio. Not that I've ever heard Dream Theater on the radio.

Also, ONLY A COUPLE MORE DAYS UNTIL THE ALBUM COMES OUT, WOO!!!!


I do that too.. However my CD's are on display in my room. So that I can see what I have physically. (I am only missing FII and 6DOIT in physical copies, I have them purchased them via itunes)



I can't wait to have my box set in my hands.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 11, 2011, 02:48:43 pm
On the Dutch site 'Music Meter', a large site where people can vote on music and discuss it, this album is getting a quite negative response by some. The average score now is 3,5/5,0. There are even people that claim to love Dream Theater, and give this album a 1. For one guy, it is the worst release in 5-10 years. Some mention the extremely bad production, the 'flat' sound and the lack of original ideas. There is the mention of James' singing (autotune, remarks of it all being 'fake' and too perfect and all that).

About the sound... I have compared this cd with other albums, and now I hear the difference. Something is not right. All could have benefited from a more organic, livelier sound. So far my score would be 85/100.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 11, 2011, 03:36:02 pm
On the Dutch site 'Music Meter', a large site where people can vote on music and discuss it, this album is getting a quite negative response by some. The average score now is 3,5/5,0. There are even people that claim to love Dream Theater, and give this album a 1. For one guy, it is the worst release in 5-10 years. Some mention the extremely bad production, the 'flat' sound and the lack of original ideas. There is the mention of James' singing (autotune, remarks of it all being 'fake' and too perfect and all that).
I don't know, what gives... I love every single note of this album, it's fantastic musically. Breaking All Illusions is one of the best pieces DT ever wrote.
The production isn't anywhere near as disastrous as some say. The only thing I'd change is the drums - they're pushed way too behind in the background.
Otherwise, it's all perfect to my liking. I couldn't care less what others say. To me, it's a nearly perfect Dream Theater album.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 11, 2011, 04:46:11 pm
On the Dutch site 'Music Meter', a large site where people can vote on music and discuss it, this album is getting a quite negative response by some. The average score now is 3,5/5,0. There are even people that claim to love Dream Theater, and give this album a 1. For one guy, it is the worst release in 5-10 years. Some mention the extremely bad production, the 'flat' sound and the lack of original ideas. There is the mention of James' singing (autotune, remarks of it all being 'fake' and too perfect and all that).
I don't know, what gives... I love every single note of this album, it's fantastic musically. Breaking All Illusions is one of the best pieces DT ever wrote.
The production isn't anywhere near as disastrous as some say. The only thing I'd change is the drums - they're pushed way too behind in the background.
Otherwise, it's all perfect to my liking. I couldn't care less what others say. To me, it's a nearly perfect Dream Theater album.

At least I am not the only one saying and hearing that about the drums. But still, I have only listened to it from my Mac laptop. I did listen to 'Breaking All Illusions' again last night, and still I have to say nothing spectacular stands out in the drum parts....I hate to say, "What would it sound like if MP wrote his drum parts"...but I know everyone here has to be thinking the same thing as I, admittedly or not.
Really though, I am not going to sweat it, because I would only think that for the next album Mangini will be involved in the writing(his drum parts specifically). I certainly wouldn't have expected him to be involved in any of the writing the first time around. And to be honest, nor should he have been. However, the lack of input on the drum parts seem to show. I guess I will know for sure in a couple days.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 11, 2011, 06:15:58 pm
I didn't think the mix of On the Backs of Angels was bad. The only bad thing about it was the drums being a little too low in the mix, but that's not really a deal breaker. I assume the mix of the rest of the album is going to be on par with that track.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 11, 2011, 09:24:40 pm
On the Dutch site 'Music Meter', a large site where people can vote on music and discuss it, this album is getting a quite negative response by some. The average score now is 3,5/5,0. There are even people that claim to love Dream Theater, and give this album a 1. For one guy, it is the worst release in 5-10 years. Some mention the extremely bad production, the 'flat' sound and the lack of original ideas. There is the mention of James' singing (autotune, remarks of it all being 'fake' and too perfect and all that).
I don't know, what gives... I love every single note of this album, it's fantastic musically. Breaking All Illusions is one of the best pieces DT ever wrote.
The production isn't anywhere near as disastrous as some say. The only thing I'd change is the drums - they're pushed way too behind in the background.
Otherwise, it's all perfect to my liking. I couldn't care less what others say. To me, it's a nearly perfect Dream Theater album.

At least I am not the only one saying and hearing that about the drums. But still, I have only listened to it from my Mac laptop. I did listen to 'Breaking All Illusions' again last night, and still I have to say nothing spectacular stands out in the drum parts....I hate to say, "What would it sound like if MP wrote his drum parts"...but I know everyone here has to be thinking the same thing as I, admittedly or not.
Really though, I am not going to sweat it, because I would only think that for the next album Mangini will be involved in the writing(his drum parts specifically). I certainly wouldn't have expected him to be involved in any of the writing the first time around. And to be honest, nor should he have been. However, the lack of input on the drum parts seem to show. I guess I will know for sure in a couple days.

Honestly, yes the drums aren't as loud in the mix as they have been but, I think that makes it all sound more cohesive and musical. You also, as MM has said, have to give it several listens because what he played and how he played it is subtle and there's SO much going on underneath the overall "beat" because he's matching things for Jordan with this hand and for JP with this hand and then keeping in sync with JM with his feet. If you REALLY dig in, it's quite magical.

Also, and I've said this before, listening to MP's last few records (before he left DT I said this) I felt like he was getting really uninspired and was always playing on TOP of what was going on musically. In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 had MP playing the SAME lick at least 4 times in a row. It drives me crazy. Systematic Chaos as a whole is a great example of drums being WAY too high in the mix. Kick drums on TDEN anyone? Then when the band is just playing, MP would come up with something that was cool that HE could do. Wither, for example: it's a ballad. Can you not just play the groove without all the over-the-top hi-hat work and bazillion splash cymbal hits??

On this new record, MM is playing things that compliment the section rather than coming up with something "wacky" that can go one while the other guys are playing. While he was a great showman and metal player, there was just zero groove and pocket in MP's playing and I've ALWAYS felt that way.

Honestly, I think MM's performance on this record is absolutely refreshing, suitable, subtle, powerful and darn near perfect. /myopinion

 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 11, 2011, 11:56:07 pm
 :( waiting... That is something the Omega order needs to learn to do, is inform people if they are getting their preorder or not... mine still says "Pending fulfillment."


fingers crossed since they got my money, that I get the digital download tomorrow like they say I will get.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 12, 2011, 06:04:04 am
I think that Mike Mangini had a very positive influence on the album. I find his performance absolutely brilliant - full of musicality and finesse, very refreshing and subtle (unpretentious and reticent where necessary). I LOVE the album.






Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 12, 2011, 07:45:51 am
On the Dutch site 'Music Meter', a large site where people can vote on music and discuss it, this album is getting a quite negative response by some. The average score now is 3,5/5,0. There are even people that claim to love Dream Theater, and give this album a 1. For one guy, it is the worst release in 5-10 years. Some mention the extremely bad production, the 'flat' sound and the lack of original ideas. There is the mention of James' singing (autotune, remarks of it all being 'fake' and too perfect and all that).
I don't know, what gives... I love every single note of this album, it's fantastic musically. Breaking All Illusions is one of the best pieces DT ever wrote.
The production isn't anywhere near as disastrous as some say. The only thing I'd change is the drums - they're pushed way too behind in the background.
Otherwise, it's all perfect to my liking. I couldn't care less what others say. To me, it's a nearly perfect Dream Theater album.

At least I am not the only one saying and hearing that about the drums. But still, I have only listened to it from my Mac laptop. I did listen to 'Breaking All Illusions' again last night, and still I have to say nothing spectacular stands out in the drum parts....I hate to say, "What would it sound like if MP wrote his drum parts"...but I know everyone here has to be thinking the same thing as I, admittedly or not.
Really though, I am not going to sweat it, because I would only think that for the next album Mangini will be involved in the writing(his drum parts specifically). I certainly wouldn't have expected him to be involved in any of the writing the first time around. And to be honest, nor should he have been. However, the lack of input on the drum parts seem to show. I guess I will know for sure in a couple days.

Honestly, yes the drums aren't as loud in the mix as they have been but, I think that makes it all sound more cohesive and musical. You also, as MM has said, have to give it several listens because what he played and how he played it is subtle and there's SO much going on underneath the overall "beat" because he's matching things for Jordan with this hand and for JP with this hand and then keeping in sync with JM with his feet. If you REALLY dig in, it's quite magical.

Also, and I've said this before, listening to MP's last few records (before he left DT I said this) I felt like he was getting really uninspired and was always playing on TOP of what was going on musically. In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 had MP playing the SAME lick at least 4 times in a row. It drives me crazy. Systematic Chaos as a whole is a great example of drums being WAY too high in the mix. Kick drums on TDEN anyone? Then when the band is just playing, MP would come up with something that was cool that HE could do. Wither, for example: it's a ballad. Can you not just play the groove without all the over-the-top hi-hat work and bazillion splash cymbal hits??

On this new record, MM is playing things that compliment the section rather than coming up with something "wacky" that can go one while the other guys are playing. While he was a great showman and metal player, there was just zero groove and pocket in MP's playing and I've ALWAYS felt that way.

Honestly, I think MM's performance on this record is absolutely refreshing, suitable, subtle, powerful and darn near perfect. /myopinion

 

Oh I totally agree... MP's playing was over the top in the mix of Systematic Chaos. And often times, there was heavy stuff going on....well for the sake of heavy over the top intricate stuff going on. Hmmmmm maybe I have been so used to the way the last few albums have been with DT...and that was what I missed! LOL...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 12, 2011, 11:36:17 am
:( waiting... That is something the Omega order needs to learn to do, is inform people if they are getting their preorder or not... mine still says "Pending fulfillment."


fingers crossed since they got my money, that I get the digital download tomorrow like they say I will get.

Ok good so I'm not the only one. I've opened a ticket with them. I have no link for the download and have no arrival estimate for the box set I purchased. I am NOT a happy camper. (Oddly enough... I'm actually not a fan of camping anyway.)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 12, 2011, 12:58:50 pm
For those that pre-ordered the Deluxe Box Set, I just received this email from Omega (which included my download link):

REGARDING THE PHYSICAL ALBUM!
A message directly from Roadrunner:
Due to a manufacturing issue, the Dream Theater A Dramatic Turn Of
Events deluxe box sets have been slightly delayed.  This was a quality
issue and Dream Theater, Roadrunner Records, and The Omega Order want
to ensure the best possible audio experience for the new album to its
fans.  The product will arrive to our warehouses later this week and
we will start shipping all orders upon arrival.  We apologize for the
delay, but would not want to provide an inferior product in its place.
 Your download code for A Dramatic Turn Of Events is below so you can
enjoy the album in its entirety a day before it’s released to retail.
We apologize for the inconvenience, and will have your physical order
out to you as soon as possible.
Please know that we have all the boxes made and postage ready.
We are prepared to ship these out the second they get to our warehouse.
Thank you so much!
If there are any issues with your download please go to our website and make a customer service case.
Please use your order number when making your case.

Cheers!
The Omega Mailorder.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 12, 2011, 01:19:01 pm

Here is a great new interview with James LaBrie: http://loudwire.com/dream-theater-james-labrie-interview-with-full-metal-jackie/


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 12, 2011, 03:08:40 pm
For those that pre-ordered the Deluxe Box Set, I just received this email from Omega (which included my download link):

REGARDING THE PHYSICAL ALBUM!
A message directly from Roadrunner:
Due to a manufacturing issue, the Dream Theater A Dramatic Turn Of
Events deluxe box sets have been slightly delayed.  This was a quality
issue and Dream Theater, Roadrunner Records, and The Omega Order want
to ensure the best possible audio experience for the new album to its
fans.  The product will arrive to our warehouses later this week and
we will start shipping all orders upon arrival.  We apologize for the
delay, but would not want to provide an inferior product in its place.
 Your download code for A Dramatic Turn Of Events is below so you can
enjoy the album in its entirety a day before it’s released to retail.
We apologize for the inconvenience, and will have your physical order
out to you as soon as possible.
Please know that we have all the boxes made and postage ready.
We are prepared to ship these out the second they get to our warehouse.
Thank you so much!
If there are any issues with your download please go to our website and make a customer service case.
Please use your order number when making your case.

Cheers!
The Omega Mailorder.


at least they are informing us about it :) I'll give them that. (and the LEGAL download helps too)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on September 12, 2011, 03:20:24 pm
Yeah, at least they are giving you some kind of pacifier until you get your set. 

I am going to get it tomorrow.  I start a training for a new job and there's and HMV in the same mall. 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 12, 2011, 03:32:28 pm
Yeah, at least they are giving you some kind of pacifier until you get your set. 

I am going to get it tomorrow.  I start a training for a new job and there's and HMV in the same mall. 


that's one way to put it...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 12, 2011, 04:29:46 pm
I was hoping the On the Back of Angels was an exception with respect to the mix.  I am still waiting to get a copy tonight, but my impression of the mix of OTBOA was not enough drums!!
I guess I got used to the DT drum mix being on top.  I really focused on the mix of the old albums while working out this AM and in many songs the drums are the loudest of all instruments.  As a drummer and a big MP fan, this is o.k. with me, but I can see it being "over the top".  But this mix takes it in another direction...almost to the drums as background.  From what I understand you can actually hear JMX in parts, which will be a welcome departure... ;)
I'm reserving final judgment until I can actually hear the entire thing, which I am looking forward to into the wee hours of tonight. 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 12, 2011, 05:27:30 pm
For those that pre-ordered the Deluxe Box Set, I just received this email from Omega (which included my download link):

REGARDING THE PHYSICAL ALBUM!
A message directly from Roadrunner:
Due to a manufacturing issue, the Dream Theater A Dramatic Turn Of
Events deluxe box sets have been slightly delayed.  This was a quality
issue and Dream Theater, Roadrunner Records, and The Omega Order want
to ensure the best possible audio experience for the new album to its
fans.  The product will arrive to our warehouses later this week and
we will start shipping all orders upon arrival.  We apologize for the
delay, but would not want to provide an inferior product in its place.
 Your download code for A Dramatic Turn Of Events is below so you can
enjoy the album in its entirety a day before it’s released to retail.
We apologize for the inconvenience, and will have your physical order
out to you as soon as possible.
Please know that we have all the boxes made and postage ready.
We are prepared to ship these out the second they get to our warehouse.
Thank you so much!
If there are any issues with your download please go to our website and make a customer service case.
Please use your order number when making your case.

Cheers!
The Omega Mailorder.


at least they are informing us about it :) I'll give them that. (and the LEGAL download helps too)

Totally. I appreciated the heads up.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 12, 2011, 09:47:09 pm
Picking up my copy at midnight...I had no idea they were have a midnight release 2 miles from my house...!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dave52 on September 13, 2011, 01:13:54 am
Got my copy yesterday.  I've only had one play through - but so far, so freaking good.  So much to digest, but I love what I've heard.  With regard to the production - it sounds ace.  The drums are not as in your face as MP tends to mix them, but the kit sits nicely in the mix.  It's gonna take a ton of listens to pick up all the clever stuff that MM is putting out there - but it is there.
 
Well done DT, this is gonna turn out to be one of the best - and there doesn't seem to be any fillers, something that I've found on the last few releases.  There, I've said it.

PS - I get the I&W comparisons, but it's a really, really good thing.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: elizaalltiedup on September 13, 2011, 02:52:14 am
ADTOE is awesome, the best since SFAM imo. James sounds absolutely INCREDIBLE, he clearly doesn't need anyone telling him how to sing!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 13, 2011, 09:54:36 am
Got my copy yesterday.  I've only had one play through - but so far, so freaking good.  So much to digest, but I love what I've heard.  With regard to the production - it sounds ace.  The drums are not as in your face as MP tends to mix them, but the kit sits nicely in the mix.  It's gonna take a ton of listens to pick up all the clever stuff that MM is putting out there - but it is there.
 
Well done DT, this is gonna turn out to be one of the best - and there doesn't seem to be any fillers, something that I've found on the last few releases.  There, I've said it.

PS - I get the I&W comparisons, but it's a really, really good thing.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 13, 2011, 01:36:44 pm
What the hell, can't wait 'til saturday, I will have dinner a bit earlier and then rush to a nearby megastore before it closes to get it  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 13, 2011, 01:49:03 pm
How can people come up with all these comparisions between I&W and ADTOE??  To me both albums have nothing in common. And Under A Glass Moon should be Lost Not Forgotten. As a test, I kept on switching between the songs the last 30 minutes or so. Comparing structures, melodies, vocal lines, themes... etc.

Result??

Both songs have as much in common as the Pope and Barack Obama  ;)





Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 13, 2011, 03:11:02 pm
What the hell, can't wait 'til saturday, I will have dinner a bit earlier and then rush to a nearby megastore before it closes to get it  ;D

Went to the store 10 minutes before closing time and it was already closed. DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 13, 2011, 06:16:24 pm
Just picked up my copy and listening to it now. Already, I can tell that On the Backs of Angels sounds significantly more awesome at lossless quality. I'm noticing little things I didn't before.

I went for the special edition even though I've already seen The Spirit Carries On. I wish I could have afforded the box set. ;_;


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 13, 2011, 07:01:59 pm
The boxset looks so cool... I might get it after all, if I can make my piggy bank learn to grow money in his belly.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 13, 2011, 07:45:27 pm
Great interview with Mike Mangini. The guy is so humble and classy. Just look at the way he answers the question about MP coming back for a DT reunion. http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/dream-theaters-mike-mangini-on-drumming-with-prog-metals-kings-496667


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 13, 2011, 07:55:06 pm
Yeah I really do not find the comparisons to I&W at all. I have listened to the album about 6 times all the way through now. The mix is INCREDIBLE. The drums I feel are still loud and kickin', I played this album ALL DAY in my art classes. My students were SOOOOOO into it! Many of my students know of Dream Theater because of me, but all my NEW students this year were constantly asking me, "what is this??" It's always hilarious to see their reaction when I play a song, and tell them, "Oh this song is only 11 minutes."

If I had to compare this to 2 albums it is easily Awake and 6DOIT. The aggressiveness of Awake and the more technicality of 6DOIT... Definitely has some vibes of SFAM. I was kinda worried that ADTOE was going to be more 'rock' than 'metal'... HELL NO... this easily is the heaviest album they have ever done next to TOT. Seriously it' is practically full onslaught non-stop, with just the right breather and balance to each song and ballad. And 'Far From Heaven' is the most beautiful ballad of DT has ever written...Maybe 'Disappear' is still tied. Sure enough I will be playing this album to dust for 6 weeks straight....DT's best album in 12 years!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dave52 on September 14, 2011, 04:30:55 am
Yeah I really do not find the comparisons to I&W at all.

There's plenty, but I can't work out whether it's a respectful nod, a concious decision or just plain coincidence...

The songs are not copies, it's not the notes, it's the structures, for example...

On Backs of Angels / Pull Me Under - starts with slow guitar, builds with mellow keyboard lead over quiet drum fills.  Goes into big intro with full band then drops into a syncapated Drum/Guitar riff.

Far From Heaven / Wait For Sleep - quiet, reflective keyboard/vocal track leading into...

Breaking All Illusions/Learning To Live - Complicated Keyboard/Guitar riff to open, leading into section with entire band which leads into quiet Bass/Drum section with subtle vocals from JLB etc etc...

It's all about the structure of the songs.  Don't get me wrong, I love this album, but I can understand the I&W comparisons.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 14, 2011, 10:19:47 am
Great interview with Mike Mangini. The guy is so humble and classy. Just look at the way he answers the question about MP coming back for a DT reunion. http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/dream-theaters-mike-mangini-on-drumming-with-prog-metals-kings-496667

My man-crush on Mangini has officially reached shameful levels.  Pure class with mad skills.  When I grow up, I wanna be like Mike!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 14, 2011, 06:12:17 pm
Yeah I really do not find the comparisons to I&W at all.

There's plenty, but I can't work out whether it's a respectful nod, a concious decision or just plain coincidence...

The songs are not copies, it's not the notes, it's the structures, for example...

On Backs of Angels / Pull Me Under - starts with slow guitar, builds with mellow keyboard lead over quiet drum fills.  Goes into big intro with full band then drops into a syncapated Drum/Guitar riff.

Far From Heaven / Wait For Sleep - quiet, reflective keyboard/vocal track leading into...

Breaking All Illusions/Learning To Live - Complicated Keyboard/Guitar riff to open, leading into section with entire band which leads into quiet Bass/Drum section with subtle vocals from JLB etc etc...

It's all about the structure of the songs.  Don't get me wrong, I love this album, but I can understand the I&W comparisons.

Now I get it... and that one Brazilian started it all, right? Then people agreed... I think you can only hear it prejudiced. You can hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see, right? That's how conspiracy theories come to life ;) For me, this is just plain ridiculous, this comparison. What you write here is so strange and vague.

"starts with slow guitar, builds with mellow keyboard lead over quiet drum fills.  Goes into big intro with full band then drops into a syncapated Drum/Guitar riff".

Now this is so extremely general, extremely. How many Dream Theater song start slowly? I can think of a dozen. You can listen and analyse, and for sure a lot of song fit in. Goes into big intro with full band... Yeah, at one point after a slow, quiet intro the band kicks in. How surprising ;)

My point is that I just don't believe in this, and for sure DT is not trying to rewrite the history. I am now coming to the purpose of this theory. What's the use of finding these comparisons? In my opinion, it's malicious. And to end my words, do you realize that you can compare a 100 songs like this? Hell, if you only look at structures, you can find striking similiarities between Dream Theater and a zillion of other bands. And essentially, because almost all music has structures, you can find similiarities.

For me, it would be like saying the Empire State Building and the Sears Tower are similiar. Similiar, yes. They're both made of a structure with lots of steel and concrete. Get my drift?  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dave52 on September 14, 2011, 06:41:26 pm
I'm just saying that I can understand the comparisons in the song structure.  It's not a conspiracy, and trust me - I love this album and I love that MM is in the band.  MPs comments on the subject are irrelevant, I couldn't give a damn what MP has to say, he's gone and I wouldn't want to see him back.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 14, 2011, 07:05:38 pm
I love this album and I love that MM is in the band.  MPs comments on the subject are irrelevant, I couldn't give a damn what MP has to say, he's gone and I wouldn't want to see him back.

This statement here is perfect. Feels like you read my mind.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 14, 2011, 08:56:13 pm
Yeah I really do not find the comparisons to I&W at all.

There's plenty, but I can't work out whether it's a respectful nod, a concious decision or just plain coincidence...

The songs are not copies, it's not the notes, it's the structures, for example...

On Backs of Angels / Pull Me Under - starts with slow guitar, builds with mellow keyboard lead over quiet drum fills.  Goes into big intro with full band then drops into a syncapated Drum/Guitar riff.



Far From Heaven / Wait For Sleep - quiet, reflective keyboard/vocal track leading into...

Breaking All Illusions/Learning To Live - Complicated Keyboard/Guitar riff to open, leading into section with entire band which leads into quiet Bass/Drum section with subtle vocals from JLB etc etc...

It's all about the structure of the songs.  Don't get me wrong, I love this album, but I can understand the I&W comparisons.

Now I get it... and that one Brazilian started it all, right? Then people agreed... I think you can only hear it prejudiced. You can hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see, right? That's how conspiracy theories come to life ;) For me, this is just plain ridiculous, this comparison. What you write here is so strange and vague.

"starts with slow guitar, builds with mellow keyboard lead over quiet drum fills.  Goes into big intro with full band then drops into a syncapated Drum/Guitar riff".

Now this is so extremely general, extremely. How many Dream Theater song start slowly? I can think of a dozen. You can listen and analyse, and for sure a lot of song fit in. Goes into big intro with full band... Yeah, at one point after a slow, quiet intro the band kicks in. How surprising ;)

My point is that I just don't believe in this, and for sure DT is not trying to rewrite the history. I am now coming to the purpose of this theory. What's the use of finding these comparisons? In my opinion, it's malicious. And to end my words, do you realize that you can compare a 100 songs like this? Hell, if you only look at structures, you can find striking similiarities between Dream Theater and a zillion of other bands. And essentially, because almost all music has structures, you can find similiarities.

For me, it would be like saying the Empire State Building and the Sears Tower are similiar. Similiar, yes. They're both made of a structure with lots of steel and concrete. Get my drift?  ;D

EXACTLY Dargor. I can see definitely see the 'similarity' to Learning to Live with Breaking All Illusions... But I could also say This is the Life reminds me of The Spirit Carries on, and Outcry reminds me of Blind Faith
Again, if I would compare ADOTE to any other albums it is still definitely Awake and 6DOIT...Do I think DT was giving any nod to those albums? Not really or not necessarily... DT has their distinct killer style and do whatever they want!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 15, 2011, 09:30:03 am
Now I get it... and that one Brazilian started it all, right? Then people agreed...

I had to do some googling to understand this. Now I know what you guys are talking about.

I LOVE this album, but I DID find a similarity in structure between Pull Me Under and OTBOA one day while walking with my headphones on. The rest of the comparison is just far-fetched to me, and I do NOT think at all that DT are repeating themselves on purpose in any way. To me the album sounds fresh and modern, whilst trying to grasp some of their original sound, which used to get lost lately because of MP wanting them to rip off other bands, namely Muse or Metallica.

As for MP commenting, we have a saying in my country, which roughly translated would be something like: "You look prettier when you're quiet". I knew he would break his silence eventually, and not for a good reason. Now he will keep saying that the band just "re-writes its past" since he's gone. Like Dave52 says, I don't want MP back in the band. I love the whole album and the current line-up, so no reason for nostalgia here.

ADTOE is hell of an album!!!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on September 15, 2011, 12:55:51 pm
I'm still twisting in agony waiting for my CD to come with the rest of my Amazon order. Listening to you all rave about the album is making me want it even more!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 15, 2011, 03:00:20 pm
BOUGHT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 15, 2011, 03:06:40 pm
I'm still twisting in agony waiting for my CD to come with the rest of my Amazon order. Listening to you all rave about the album is making me want it even more!


yeah I am still waiting for the box set from RR and Omega Order...


from the digital download though, I can assure you that it is a great album.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 15, 2011, 04:11:15 pm
Omega Order/Box Set Update
via email:


Attention Dream Theater Fans!

Thanks again for pre-ordering the new Boxset.

We would like to let you all know that Roadrunner just guranteed us that the box sets will be in our warehouse on Monday the 19th of September.

We will be shipping them all out as they come in. 


Hope this quells some of your dissappointment. Even though we have not seen one yet either, they are suposed to be VERY cool.


Please let us know if you have any questions by making a case on our customer support page.


The Omega Mailorder.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on September 16, 2011, 11:25:39 am
A GREAT interview with MM about his rig, for those that are interesting.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/09/15/rigged-dream-theaters-mike-mangini-takes-you-through-every-piece-of-his-mega-drumkit-part-1/#more-72387


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on September 16, 2011, 11:51:08 am
Yes, that's a great interview. Thank you for the link. 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: rhino2112 on September 16, 2011, 01:35:32 pm
A GREAT interview with MM about his rig, for those that are interesting.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/09/15/rigged-dream-theaters-mike-mangini-takes-you-through-every-piece-of-his-mega-drumkit-part-1/#more-72387

Is this guy for real?  The stuff he has trained himself to do is absolutely sick.  Unless you have ever played the drums, you have no idea how difficult it is to switch the hi-hat playing to your opposite foot.  It takes so much practice, most people (including myself) would say "why bother?"  Of course, MM does it just to get better and better.  His instructional books get into this as to the mind/body relationship in playing and are quite fascinating. 


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 16, 2011, 02:03:34 pm
A GREAT interview with MM about his rig, for those that are interesting.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/09/15/rigged-dream-theaters-mike-mangini-takes-you-through-every-piece-of-his-mega-drumkit-part-1/#more-72387

Is this guy for real?  The stuff he has trained himself to do is absolutely sick.  Unless you have ever played the drums, you have no idea how difficult it is to switch the hi-hat playing to your opposite foot.  It takes so much practice, most people (including myself) would say "why bother?"  Of course, MM does it just to get better and better.  His instructional books get into this as to the mind/body relationship in playing and are quite fascinating. 

I'm no drummer, but I understand what he explains about his technique... and is sick! (In the admiration sense of the word). The guy is really an octopus. I want him to stay for good with the band.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Orodaran on September 16, 2011, 05:54:08 pm
BTW, here's Petrucci and Portnoy discussing the new album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XX9NapOh4U&feature=share

 ;D


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 16, 2011, 06:38:12 pm
Are there REAL thoughts from MP on the new album? Links? I would be pretty interested to hear or read that. One wonders if he can take a slice of humble pie.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on September 16, 2011, 07:24:59 pm
Are there REAL thoughts from MP on the new album? Links? I would be pretty interested to hear or read that. One wonders if he can take a slice of humble pie.


his twitter has been all about Anthrax and other releases. He's been rather silent about DT's album there. I can tell you that much.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 16, 2011, 11:47:49 pm
Are there REAL thoughts from MP on the new album? Links? I would be pretty interested to hear or read that. One wonders if he can take a slice of humble pie.
The only thing I've seen him say is this:

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2666577&mpage=100#2706658

He also called some other album "progressive metal album of the year" and then a bunch of people were mad at him for not even mentioning ADToE.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 17, 2011, 12:30:04 am
<SHEESH>.....

I wonder what 'progressive metal album of the year' he was talking about. The brand new Opeth album? He couldn't mean the latest Symphony X album...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Dargor on September 17, 2011, 02:51:40 am
On MP's forum there was a discussion about this, and these comments about him seem to be bogus. Or these were hugely taken out of context. He seemed to have wondered. With internet, these days rumors and gossip travels always faster than the truth. And that's not all. The truth sometimes is what no-one really is interested in...

I am quite sure MP tries to ignore this new album, so why would he made nasty comments? He probably even can't stand hearing it...


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Irock on September 17, 2011, 09:23:55 am
<SHEESH>.....

I wonder what 'progressive metal album of the year' he was talking about. The brand new Opeth album? He couldn't mean the latest Symphony X album...
It's an album by his buddies ArchMatheos. Sympathetic Resonance.

(http://i.imgur.com/zmZzJ.png)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 17, 2011, 09:53:53 am
So he promotes his " buddies' " new album and not mentioning the DT album....his REAL buddies for the last 25+ years.
I am going to check out that album though right now.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on September 19, 2011, 03:32:16 pm
I think MP would be wise to make a few comments as possible about this, since even an innocent comment will be misconstrued.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 19, 2011, 10:11:15 pm
How could MP saying that he loves the new album be misconstrued?


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Viola da Voce on September 21, 2011, 02:53:43 pm
I don't know, but a lot of fans are so contentious that I'm sure they would find some way to misread what he said.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: goo-goo on September 21, 2011, 07:32:30 pm
I would definitely recommend Arch Matheos. Probably my favorite release so far followed behind by DT. Keep in mind Fates Warning is probably my 3rd favorite band, but Jim Matheos is my favorite songwriter. This was an automatic buy for me and man, it rocks. Arch rocks on the vocals (although his voice is an acquired taste).

Asianhawk, please listen to some samples. I think you would like this one, if you can stand the vocals.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Asianhawk on September 21, 2011, 08:00:29 pm
I listened to one of the 11 minute songs. Definitely kicks butt...! I will have to listen to more songs though!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: marcosf on September 21, 2011, 08:42:50 pm
I would definitely recommend Arch Matheos. Probably my favorite release so far followed behind by DT. Keep in mind Fates Warning is probably my 3rd favorite band, but Jim Matheos is my favorite songwriter. This was an automatic buy for me and man, it rocks. Arch rocks on the vocals (although his voice is an acquired taste).

Asianhawk, please listen to some samples. I think you would like this one, if you can stand the vocals.
I've listened to FW in the last months, I like some songs but don't like others... his vocals are nice, but I have some live songs that he is not ok... good band, indeed.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on September 22, 2011, 08:42:10 pm
I FINALLY got my copy today before going in to start my shift at work.  I was checking the HMV in the mall every couple of days because of the Warner dispute, and today, the girl saw me and exclaimed "YOU'RE HERE!  IT'S HERE!  IT FINALLY CAME FOR YOU!"  and I was SUPER happy! 

I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole thing yet, but loving Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Breaking All Illusions, and yes....it's what I call the "Last Song Syndrome" that I have at just about EVERY FRIGGIN DT CD - the one where I am driven to use 1/2 box of kleenex because the lyrics on Beneath The Surface are so amazing and so heart wrenching at the same time. 

More later......thanks again DT.  You did it to me again......


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Hprog on September 23, 2011, 07:00:41 am
Wow, Donna, kudos to you for hanging in there for so long waiting for that CD!


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Donna on September 23, 2011, 07:33:26 am
It was well worth the wait!   :D  I am very "old school" and I am the type that wants the solid product in my hands, lyric booklet, and all.   ;)


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Natt on September 23, 2011, 03:20:50 pm
I am very "old school" and I am the type that wants the solid product in my hands, lyric booklet, and all.   ;)
Amazing how diffrently people take the same things :) The lyrics are the last thing I look at when I get a CD on my hands. I mean, I can't help but check out the cover artwork, the inlay, but after I've read the lyrics I look at that and put it away and seldom look back at it again because the images I get in my head from the music always conflict with the artwork - and I don't say the artwork is bad, it's just that I see things differently.
The same thing with lyrics - it's important that I hear and grasp the words without reading them first. I may be weird, but the actual music and the booklet are stand-alone pieces to me.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on October 17, 2011, 02:49:35 pm
Here is an interesting video interview with Jordan Rudess:
http://www.truthinshredding.com/2011/10/jordan-rudess-evening-with-jordan.html?m=1


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on October 19, 2011, 10:42:22 am
And here's the link to a great new video interview with James LaBrie:

http://exploremusic.com/video/exploremusic-sits-down-with-dream-theatre/


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Diana on November 25, 2011, 10:19:42 am
Dream Theater Lyric Video Contest Winners:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/EXCLUSIVE--Dream-Theater-Lyric-Video-Contest-Winners-23789.aspx?utm_source=Exact%2BTarget&utm_medium=DT%2B%28Digest%2BEmail%29&utm_campaign=DT%2B%28Digest%2BEmail%29

The videos "Far From Heaven" and "This is the Life" (second interpretation) are really amazing.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Splinter76 on November 30, 2011, 11:55:43 pm
Congratulations to Dream Theater on having "On The Backs of Angels" get the Grammy nomination in the Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance category!!!! http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Megadeth-Nominated-For-2011-Grammy-Awards-23824.aspx


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Metropolis on May 19, 2012, 12:27:51 pm
Well I did listen to it and personally I don't like it. I think that Dream Theater has lost some of it's creativity on the last three albums. This is just my opinion so no offence to anybody. I don't like Mangini and never liked the guy really. I think that Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy is like The Beatles without John Lennon. Sorry but it's  the way it is. Again just my opinion. I don't even feel like going to any of their shows and didn't attend any. I'm still a huge fan and love there earlier works up to Octavarium which is their finest in the last decade. I'm a big LaBrie fan. Really loved Static impulse. That's a great album. I just hope that Dream Theater will soon come to their senses  take some time off write good material again and eventually get Mike back or have a reunion at least. Hate me for saying this but I agreed with Mike's comments.


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: w34vi1 on May 20, 2012, 06:07:55 pm
Well I did listen to it and personally I don't like it. I think that Dream Theater has lost some of it's creativity on the last three albums. This is just my opinion so no offence to anybody. I don't like Mangini and never liked the guy really. I think that Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy is like The Beatles without John Lennon. Sorry but it's  the way it is. Again just my opinion. I don't even feel like going to any of their shows and didn't attend any. I'm still a huge fan and love there earlier works up to Octavarium which is their finest in the last decade. I'm a big LaBrie fan. Really loved Static impulse. That's a great album. I just hope that Dream Theater will soon come to their senses  take some time off write good material again and eventually get Mike back or have a reunion at least. Hate me for saying this but I agreed with Mike's comments.


this is just a simple (and not intention of a fight) question, So did you like EoP or not because Mangini was the drummer on that album?


Title: Re: New Dream Theater Album: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Post by: Metropolis on May 21, 2012, 02:50:43 am
Well I did listen to it and personally I don't like it. I think that Dream Theater has lost some of it's creativity on the last three albums. This is just my opinion so no offence to anybody. I don't like Mangini and never liked the guy really. I think that Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy is like The Beatles without John Lennon. Sorry but it's  the way it is. Again just my opinion. I don't even feel like going to any of their shows and didn't attend any. I'm still a huge fan and love there earlier works up to Octavarium which is their finest in the last decade. I'm a big LaBrie fan. Really loved Static impulse. That's a great album. I just hope that Dream Theater will soon come to their senses  take some time off write good material again and eventually get Mike back or have a reunion at least. Hate me for saying this but I agreed with Mike's comments.


this is just a simple (and not intention of a fight) question, So did you like EoP or not because Mangini was the drummer on that album?

As a matter of fact I love that album, but I'm not particularly happy with James choosing him, but I knew it's just another project and that on the next album he will probably have another drummer. I liked the songs a lot on EoP and really think it's a good album.