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Title: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on March 12, 2009, 11:15:47 pm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 13, 2009
 
New York, NY:
 
Progressive metal veterans DREAM THEATER have announced BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS as the title of their tenth studio album.  The band commenced work on the album – their second for Roadrunner Records, following up 2007's Systematic Chaos — in October of last year.
 
Roadrunner will release the record on June 23. In addition to the standard version CD, the album will also be available on vinyl LP, as well as a 3-disc Special Edition CD that will include the full album, a CD of instrumental mixes of the album and a CD of six cover songs, the titles of which will be revealed at a later date.
 
Six weeks prior to the June 23 street date, Roadrunner will release one cover song per week through digital retailers.
 
Drummer Mike Portnoy and guitarist John Petrucci are once again at the helm as producers, while Paul Northfield mixed the record.
 
The band will embark on a world tour in support of the album beginning in Europe throughout June which will be followed by the second edition of the band’s PROGRESSIVE NATION tour featuring Zappa Plays Zappa, Pain Of Salvation and Beardfish throughout North America in July/August.
 
A video for the first single, "A Rite of Passage" will be shot in late March.
 
The track listing for BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS is as follows:
 
1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Wither
4. The Shattered Fortress
5. The Best of Times
6. The Count of Tuscany

(http://www.mikeportnoy.com/images/blackcloudssilverlinings.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 13, 2009, 12:22:30 am
SWEET!!!!


I know what i am buying. a vinyl LP AND the 3-disc Special Edition.




is it me of does this cover have an AWAKE flare?



I'll be one step closer to making my new image  ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: milks on March 13, 2009, 12:47:50 am
Wonderful!!!!!!!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 13, 2009, 04:42:34 am
Excellent news! Love the artwork and tracklist seems awesome - only 6 six songs, most of them must be hyper-epic!

June 23 is the date of release? Cool, they'll be playing Moscow on June, 10 - I hope to hear some songs off the new album live before the albums ships actually  :)

SWEET!!!!


I know what i am buying. a vinyl LP AND the 3-disc Special Edition.

is it me of does this cover have an AWAKE flare?

I'll be one step closer to making my new image  ;D

Awake flare - exactly what I thought. And dark tone & the eye reminds me a bit of ToT, and a child in the doorway overlooking a patch of blue sky may be a reference to A Change of Seasons.
The elephant looks a bit odd, but I bet it's a part of huge concept  ;)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on March 13, 2009, 05:07:23 am
OMG !!! The title...., the cover...., the songs !!!! Sounds like it might be.........
the new album !  ;D ;)


Now let the waiting begin....


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: ERiKofSWE90 on March 13, 2009, 11:42:30 am
Love the album cover!!! Love the song names!! Dont you think that "A Nightmare To Remember" might be the last step of the AA-saga?? Sounds like that... ;D ;D ;D

GO DREAM THEATER!!!!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Subu on March 13, 2009, 12:05:25 pm
Good news Goo.....thanks for posting it!  I am looking forward to the release!  ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: heylchick on March 13, 2009, 01:08:45 pm
Great news!  Can't wait.  Although I am not banking on the June 23rd release date for the Canadian's. Rarely do we ever have the same release date than everyone else.  Bring on the concert dates now!

Waiting is a hard thing to do!


Cheers everyone!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 13, 2009, 01:29:22 pm
Excellent news! Love the artwork and tracklist seems awesome - only 6 six songs, most of them must be hyper-epic!

June 23 is the date of release? Cool, they'll be playing Moscow on June, 10 - I hope to hear some songs off the new album live before the albums ships actually  :)

SWEET!!!!


I know what i am buying. a vinyl LP AND the 3-disc Special Edition.

is it me of does this cover have an AWAKE flare?

I'll be one step closer to making my new image  ;D

Awake flare - exactly what I thought. And dark tone & the eye reminds me a bit of ToT, and a child in the doorway overlooking a patch of blue sky may be a reference to A Change of Seasons.
The elephant looks a bit odd, but I bet it's a part of huge concept  ;)


Remember the last song is called The Count of Tuscany... it looks like each part of the cover has something to do with one of the songs... but we'll just have to wait and see.


For some reason I see the band shirt having the elephant on it, nothing else... if not It would be worth making like that  :D :D :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 13, 2009, 04:30:27 pm
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!

THE TITLE - Very cool and unexpected, and thanks God it has nothing to do with "10", "X" or any other lame reference to the number ten, that would have been way cheap and predictable...

THE SONGS (titles) - 6 songs, whee, one more than I had figured, dhehe!  ;D the titles look promising - A Nightmare to Remember is such a clever and kickass title (even though it reminds me of All Nightmare Long by Metallica), The Shattered Fortress looks to me like the ending of the AA saga, and Tuscany which is an italian region gets its way in a DT song title, hell yeah  8)

THE COVER - Very cool and as it was already pointed out, looks very old school...... I bet once we get the lyrics we'll understand all of the cover - exactly like with Awake, imagine seeing the cover without knowing about The Mirror, The Silent Man, 6:00 etc.....  ;)

I also find quite excellent the idea of instrumental songs (those silly who think of James as the weak link of DT will be happy....  ::)) and, as if that wasn't enough, to get some covers as well with it........ looking very forward to it!!! (and I hope to not become scared once I read the track lenghts  ;D I bet the 20+ minutes songs are the album opener and closer...)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: phoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:44:34 pm
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


very good news !


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: nicoli on March 13, 2009, 07:25:55 pm
Yep, new album cover definitely has an "Awake" vibe to it...I would be more than pleased if the sound of the album had echoes of it as well.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: phoenix on March 14, 2009, 06:57:05 am
the artwork .... biggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ;D


(http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/ValYM/DTBCSLFinalHi-Res.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 14, 2009, 08:15:09 am
Nice!!! seeing a bottle (Glass Prison) broken (or shattered?) makes me think once more that the cover is like Awake's, with every object of it being a reference to the songs or the lyrics.... we'll see  8) (I want to know how an elephant makes his way in a DT song!!!!)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 14, 2009, 02:48:54 pm
Nice!!! seeing a bottle (Glass Prison) broken (or shattered?) makes me think once more that the cover is like Awake's, with every object of it being a reference to the songs or the lyrics.... we'll see  8) (I want to know how an elephant makes his way in a DT song!!!!)

And a mouse, or whatever this small white creature on the right is =))


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 14, 2009, 08:59:06 pm
who knows....

each part of the cover could be the nugget we are spose to solve.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Krahn on March 15, 2009, 05:19:55 am
Awesome news! I love the album cover and the song titles are very cool 8)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: karpatisz on March 15, 2009, 11:23:53 am
Thanks for the sharing. I'll collect all editions. :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: SeRoX on March 15, 2009, 12:41:57 pm
It's enough for me to have heart attack to see album frontpicture  ;D

and also songs names are mystical and amazing such a A Nightmare To Remember.

I guess every each songs lasts more than 7-8 min. and that could be great. all can be epic and dark as like as DT format.
And as we can see there is a combined from the older albums relfecting new album picture. From I&W, Awake, FII, Octvrm, SC.
U know John said, You'll see me playing the most complicated and hard elecktric guitar notes, you'll see LaBrie singing like in the  Awake album style.
So it is enough to get me excited about.  8)

Let's Wait....  :o


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 16, 2009, 08:42:02 pm
Mastering is Starting Tomorrow!!

Here is a new kicker. the Cover CD that is going to be with the special Edition, according to Mike, 6 weeks before the album release, one cover song will be made available on Amazon and/or ITunes each week leading up to the album.

AND there is going to be a Cover song Bootleg that Mike is getting ready. 10 one off cover songs from 2003-2005. FYI, Mike was having The Black Sabbath's Heaven & Hell cover they did in a Sound Check in Germany.  ;D ;D ;D Sounding awesome.


EDIT: No lyrics by James....  :-[ :-[ :-[ That's kinda sad. Ah well maybe next album.


EDIT2: For those of us trying to figure out what the last of the 12 Step Suite title is...: The Shattered Fortress

(Information by listening to the Eddie Trunk show)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 17, 2009, 04:04:50 am
No lyrics by James??  :'(  :'(  :'( sad. He used to write lyrics for at least one song on each album...


Title: New album!!!
Post by: Hitch on March 17, 2009, 08:53:27 am
,,Progressive metal veterans DREAM THEATER have announced BLACK            This inf. are from DT newsletter
CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS as the title of their tenth studio album''

,,Six weeks prior to the June 23 street date, Roadrunner will
release one cover song per week through digital retailers''
1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Wither
4. The Shattered Fortress
5. The Best of Times
6. The Count of Tuscany
Chears  ;D


Title: Re: New album!!!
Post by: Natt on March 17, 2009, 08:54:56 am
sorry, but there's already a similar sticky thread here

http://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=186.0


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 17, 2009, 03:52:37 pm
Too bad that James didn't have a hand in the lyrics writing this time around.... I heard that basically the album will have 4 "epic" songs and 2 "shorter" ones.... good, good, I hope that the "epics" will be indeed epic songs, and not just LONG songs  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 18, 2009, 10:55:38 pm
I've been checking out Mike's Forum... and now i've been thinking, what IS on the Cover CD that will be released with BC&SL?

So far... Mike has confirmed that one song was done and released last year...

This is Mike's comment about it:
Quote
Maybe I should get this out of the way now, so there's no disappointment....
The 6th cover (one of the metal ones) is actually a DT cover that was released last year elsewhere....
 So, there's actually 5 "new" studio covers...
 You also should know that my picks were alot more obscure (bands or song choices) than you may think....I'd be shocked if you got any of them in advance...(two of em maybe, but the other 3, no way....)
Finally, those genre descriptions may be debatable...of course, no band can be so easily pigeon-holed in strictly one catagory....for instance, the other "metal" band, many would actually classify more in the "hard rock" catagory...
 OK...have fun guessing...
 I'm sitting here in the studio right now while one of the "prog" ones is being mixed and it sounds AWESOME!!
 MP
 


So far... I've been able to guess the last two albums of covers(The Dark Side Of the Moon, AND Maid In Japan), so maybe i can figure this out out.....

With Mike's "hint" I am guessing that the 6th cover is To Tame a Land.

As for the others hmm... i'd have to think...


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Omunae on March 19, 2009, 10:05:37 am
I love that cover art. It looks like it should have came right after Images and Words and Awake.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 19, 2009, 02:54:25 pm
I think too that the 6th cover is To Tame a Land... we'll see what the others 5 are!  8)

Anyway, I just love how for each release they now seem to come up with something extra.... for Systematic Chaos it was the making of DVD, and now, in order to not repeat themselves, they come up with the instrumental version of the album and, as if that wasn't enough for a bonus, a THIRD disc of cover songs... (which is way better than just making an album of covers and release it full price!) they always try to surprise people everytime, and this is just so cool  8)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 20, 2009, 01:54:24 pm
I'm a bit disappointed there'll be no documentary DVD. The one they had on Systematic Chaos was loads of fun...

Come to think of that, the album is 75 mins long... there are 4 epics and 2 singles. One of the "shorter" songs, A Rite Of Passage, is about 8 mins long, so I guess together these singles are about 15 mins long, which leaves about an hour for 4 epics. About 15 mins per each epic? That's not too long, I thought there would be a couple of 20+ minute songs.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 20, 2009, 02:04:41 pm
I'm a bit disappointed there'll be no documentary DVD. The one they had on Systematic Chaos was loads of fun...

Come to think of that, the album is 75 mins long... there are 4 epics and 2 singles. One of the "shorter" songs, A Rite Of Passage, is about 8 mins long, so I guess together these singles are about 15 mins long, which leaves about an hour for 4 epics. About 15 mins per each epic? That's not too long, I thought there would be a couple of 20+ minute songs.

Well you never know what they might have planned. Mike is a tricky guy that way.

as for the documentary DVD, i was listening to him talk about it on the 16th, and he said that they wanted to change things up. So I'm thinking that IF they do another live album, we might have a extra dvd there... or they will do like they did for 5 years in a live time, and mix it all again.

only time will tell...


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 21, 2009, 12:52:23 pm
I'm a bit disappointed there'll be no documentary DVD. The one they had on Systematic Chaos was loads of fun...

Well, wouldn't be predictable in the long run if every album had one? for SC we got the documentary, for this new album we'll get covers AND instrumental versions..... as I said before I prefer when they surprise us each time  8)

And I somehow have the feeling that both the opener and the closer will pass the 20 minutes mark.... but we'll see....


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 21, 2009, 01:31:45 pm
What about the nugget for this album? I mean we are going to have to wait for the album to be in our hands before we can start to figure it out... but so far i haven't been able to figure it out.



and an update from Mike on the covers:
Quote
Of course I "never say never" and there are always exceptions to the rules....but this is pretty much true....
 Most, if not all, covers I've ever chosen for DT are bands that were around before we were...
 MP


So bands before '89 (these bands could have been out in the Majesty days, since technaly that isn't DT  :P )? hmm Two Metal bands (with one that crosses the Hard Rock line), one Hard Rock band, a Classic Rock, and two Progs...

I'm still sitting at To Tame a Land as one of them, thanks to Mike's "conformation" that still bring up is it a Metal song, a Hard Rock song, a Classic or a Prog?

Gotta love Mike for his vague-ness to keep up guessing  :D

but now bands that were around before DT was


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 21, 2009, 05:41:26 pm
One of prog bands might be Rush, since they're one of DT's greatest influence. Not sure thou


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 22, 2009, 06:53:47 am
What about the nugget for this album? I mean we are going to have to wait for the album to be in our hands before we can start to figure it out... but so far i haven't been able to figure it out.

Well, why should there even be a "nugget" for the album?? I talk about it because you brought it up, obviously I don't have anything against your post, but lately I saw a "mass hysteria" (ahah, maybe a bit exagerated term) about DT "nuggets" and stuff to find..... to the point that people over-over-over-analyize songs and cover arts looking for something which is not even there...

Ok, In the Name of God had that hilarous Morse code, and Octavarium is a VERY WELL musically structured album to resemble the octave of a piano. But apart from this I'd hate DT to spend more time on placing "hints" and "nuggets" rather than focusing on the music (which I'm sure is not happening anyway, I'm making just an example), and I am so so happy that the album title does NOT have any kind of reference to the number 10... I want an album full of good music, I couldn't care less about an album where I'd have to listen the lyrics of the 1st song at the 1st minute and the 2nd song at the 2nd minute and put them together and form a sentence whose number of letters is how many seconds into the last song there is a musical reference to an album they made 10 years ago, or whatever  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 22, 2009, 02:15:54 pm
I'm just saying there they are in the albums without us really thinking about it. And for the most part... it's called a pattern. it keeps fans busy while waiting...

what is so wrong with that?

if it can get a few people's minds off of the hard times right now, isn't that all that matters...



not to mention i'm also trying to find a way to get more members of this board involved... without creating a flame fest...




Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 26, 2009, 07:11:23 pm
Seems there is a new Promo picture on the net

(http://i39.tinypic.com/16jniq8.jpg)


Looks like i can get to work on that new Signature! :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on March 26, 2009, 08:59:36 pm
Holy.  Crap.    :o :o :o

Bring it already, boyz.  Bring it.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 26, 2009, 09:03:33 pm
Holy.  Crap.    :o :o :o


that was my first thought exactly. Now if June 23rd would only come sooner


EDIT: Where could we get a jacket like the one James has? that is awesome!!!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: karpatisz on March 27, 2009, 02:45:15 am
Weymolith from MP's forum add this too:

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/ytsejams_inc/Black%20Clouds/DT1.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 27, 2009, 03:02:59 am
it was sad to see how may people were complaining about it on Mike's forum...


I don't see anything wrong with it...


I want James' jacket  ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 27, 2009, 03:17:08 am
Awww I want James' jacket so bad!

MP looks awesome as usual


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: ERiKofSWE90 on March 27, 2009, 03:36:23 am
Cool hair MP!! Seems James is keeping the beard...thats good! ;D

I want James t-shirt and that jacket too. Plus on the CIM-tour he had some awesome "biker"-style t shirts...I want some of those too! Hope they all wear leather jackets live!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 27, 2009, 04:10:34 am
I can't believe this promo pic spawned a 5+pages discussion thread about their hair and "gothic" looks on MP's forum. It was so ridiculous until Mike actually gave a piece of mind about it, and then everyone went "ok, ok, it's a great picture". Same old "eveything is never enough" attitude

Having seen the cover art style, I wouldn't expect them to go for anything different with promo pics too. Pretty much the same style, and looks great. Very gothic vube, especially about clothing and those neck laces

Gosh, why June 23 is so hell far away?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on March 27, 2009, 05:16:21 am
James is the most badass looking on that pic! He must wear that jacket on stage!!!!!  :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 27, 2009, 02:32:48 pm
Wow ... It's reaaaaaaaaaally dark, man! First impression real good! Can't deny all things look that mysterious ...

About all the speculations ... go on, men! You are in your rights! Besides that, VOICES is surely a democratic forum.

About The Journey's cover, could it be 'Separate Ways'? Or 'Lights'? Or 'Stone in Love'? Or even 'Oh, Sherrie'? How bout James performing these songs?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 27, 2009, 03:42:40 pm
Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2jmZq-eck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2jmZq-eck)

Is Cemetery Gates voted for Pantera's cover?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 27, 2009, 03:58:33 pm
Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2jmZq-eck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2jmZq-eck)

Is Cemetery Gates voted for Pantera's cover?


Mike already said that the Cover Bootlegs would include this song... esp if this was done between 2003-2005


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on March 27, 2009, 06:32:48 pm
James, the necklace you wear is the same as Jordan and John wear ? Could/do you want to tell us what it is ?  :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Krahn on March 28, 2009, 01:41:16 am
That promo pic is awesome!! I love their new looks.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 10:26:22 am
I wish it'd be progger than metal. It looks like one of Cradle of Fifth pics. It's really a pretty photography mainly the art design and high resolution. But I repeat: I did wish it'd be progger! Not a meaningful visual changing since SC.

(http://cdn.purevolume.com/cdnImages/crop_345x235/299704-208-1121538553-cradle_of_filth.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 28, 2009, 10:38:18 am
What do you mean "progger" than "metal"? they're pretty much of both. promo photos are fairly the same for all bands, with band members standing/sitting with some entourage elements and different background.

What's similar to a Cradle of Filth promo pic? Nothing except there are 5 of them and they're in a standing lineup. Everything else is different.

If you want them to have this 90's flashy look, this ain't gonna happen. They change with time and always look up to date.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 10:55:17 am
What do you mean "progger" than "metal"? they're pretty much of both. promo photos are fairly the same for all bands, with band members standing/sitting with some entourage elements and different background.

What's similar to a Cradle of Filth promo pic? Nothing except there are 5 of them and they're in a standing lineup. Everything else is different.

If you want them to have this 90's flashy look, this ain't gonna happen. They change with time and always look up to date.
Do not be that angry with me, Natt! i'm sure you knew what I meant! Besides that it was just a joke. Do not worry! I'm form Brazil, you know. Over here we are very fan of DT. Some has questioned themselves what BC&SL has hidden. I'm very optmistc, I confess. But some not. I meant this promo pic didn't colaborate to any "silver lining" since the "SC black cloud" was released. Just it. besides that, it's my opnion. I'm a very fan of DT and have the rights to say what I think. You see? Oh, the cover is pretty prog. By the way, did you know what I mean with progger?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 11:03:59 am
Some suggestions of prog promo pics:

(http://deluca.blogspot.com/mauroferreira/uploaded_images/Rush-737577.jpeg)

(http://blogmusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/emerson-lake-and-palmer.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 28, 2009, 11:07:58 am
I'm not angry. At least, not so much ;)

ps and please, no need in reminding me with every other post that everyone has the right to express his opinoin. Or am I doing something wrong?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 28, 2009, 11:11:11 am
Now I see what you mean by "progger"

I believe DT's promo photos pretty much reflect the vibe of the upcoming album - dark, heavy, a bit gothic and... beautiful :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 11:15:02 am
I'm not angry. At least, not so much ;)

ps and please, no need in reminding me with every other post that everyone has the right to express his opinoin. Or am I doing something wrong?

 ;) Sure! You're a girl, huh ... I should be more polite. Sorry! Good you are not angry with me, besides it seemed! :-) Cheers ... You know what? You're right. Let the time brings all the answers. As I said, I'm very optimistic. So are you as well, huh?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on March 28, 2009, 11:19:37 am
As I said, I'm very optimistic. So are you as well, huh?
Absolutely!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 28, 2009, 03:43:34 pm
My god, this is starting to look like Mike's forum about this picture... It's a bloody picture...


Even I have to admit that i hate some of their older pictures... but Meh that is my opinion.

Mike chose to do the picture like this... end of story...


Here is the comment from Mike himself in case some didn't see it on his forum

Quote
I've seen my fair share of ridiculous threads with completely over the top criticism and conclusion-jumping...but man, this one may take the cake!!!!!!!!! 
First of all, IT'S A FREAKING PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!
You know that expression "don't judge a book by its cover"??
But anyway....THIS IS HOW WE LOOK!!!
Second of all, nobody (ie. Roadrunner) is telling us how to do ANYTHING.....
Roadrunner didnt hear a single note off the album til we delivered it last week....I chose the photographer for the photo shoot (and the director for the video and the bands who will tour with us...)
 The label has been 1000% supportive of our decisions, direction and anything else we bring to the table and you guys should be grateful to them for giving us the outlet to do what we do (and look how we want to look, etc.) with nothing but support....
 And some people wonder why I don't release any info before the album comes out!!
 (But yes, I still love you guys anyway...)
 MP


We should be grateful they didn't let MTV take them down in the early 90's and be happy that they are still rocking.



Remember DT was never that band that really did what they were spose to... in truth DT still keeping it real... not many other bands do that. So more power to them.


(this wasn't directed at really anyone... i've just been sick of some of the comment made over all) :(


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 09:27:41 pm
It's just a picture. DT is more than it, we all know. And opinions are opinions. It makes the forum alive


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 28, 2009, 09:40:41 pm
It's just a picture. DT is more than it, we all know. And opinions are opinions. It makes the forum alive

yeah it does... but remember the message behind Never Enough sometimes people put way to much criticism behind it, it becomes tiresome and less fun for others.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on March 28, 2009, 09:44:22 pm
In my opinion, some kind of cricticism builds. But I did your point. And I also remember that time of Never Enough.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on March 28, 2009, 10:09:11 pm
In my opinion, some kind of cricticism builds. But I did your point. And I also remember that time of Never Enough.

yeah some criticism builds... but when it is being used on EVERYTHING... it does becoming nit-picking.




at least with the photo... they are not hiding who they really are (reference to Slipknot...)



anyway to get back on topic... I do agree with lutima, that is a nice necklace, what is it of?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Omunae on April 01, 2009, 06:05:16 pm
Granted i haven't read any of these criticism's on MP's forums, but at first glance I just don't see where anyone could be getting any from. I mean look at the title of the album Black Clouds and Silver Lining, how does their apparel and the overall ambiance of the photo not justify the title? Anyone who would bash the correlation obviously doesn't know how to meld art.



Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on April 14, 2009, 03:16:21 pm
Looks like people start to talk about the album and we have now the song lenghts!!!

1 - A Nightmare to Remember 16:10
2 - A Rite of Passage 8:35
3 - Wither 5:25
4 - The Shattered Fortress 12:49
5 - The Best of Times 13.07
6 - The Count of Tuscany 19.16

Quite exciting... I'm curious to what the 5 minute song will be like  8) and I also hope that the other songs will be epic ones, and not just LONG songs  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on April 14, 2009, 03:33:37 pm
Now I imagine people at some forums nagging: Oh The Count of Tuscany is too long, Wither is too short...
To me, track length tells nothing really. Like Wither, it can well be a ballad or a killer..
we'll have to wait and hear what they're like  :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on April 14, 2009, 10:18:02 pm
Glad it's almost 75 minutes  of pure Dream Theater!

Very excited! Hope Wither could be a ballad as "Through Her Eyes" is!

Why is June that long?

Very obliged Dream Theater!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on April 15, 2009, 01:37:43 am
Now I imagine people at some forums nagging: Oh The Count of Tuscany is too long, Wither is too short...
To me, track length tells nothing really. Like Wither, it can well be a ballad or a killer..
we'll have to wait and hear what they're like  :)

it only means that Wither might not have to be edited as a single, which would be a first.

I keep checking Mike's forum to see if there is nagging, and yet nothing seems to be up yet (i might have missed the main part of it)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on April 15, 2009, 03:05:35 am

it only means that Wither might not have to be edited as a single, which would be a first.

I keep checking Mike's forum to see if there is nagging, and yet nothing seems to be up yet (i might have missed the main part of it)

Well, Mike's birthday is coming up, who knows what he might give us  ;) 8)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on April 15, 2009, 10:32:02 pm

it only means that Wither might not have to be edited as a single, which would be a first.

I keep checking Mike's forum to see if there is nagging, and yet nothing seems to be up yet (i might have missed the main part of it)

Well, Mike's birthday is coming up, who knows what he might give us  ;) 8)

Ah that's right, he's a 4/20 baby


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on April 28, 2009, 01:49:45 pm
Has anybody seen these yet?? reviews of the nww album!!!!  :o 8)

This is by Rich Wilson, that did as you all probably know the biography for DT:

Quote
A Nightmare to Remember

Opening with a creepy piano introduction before some dark and imposing chords, some truly blistering kick drums appear before a weighty riff takes control. A few minutes on, and the headlong pace breaks into a lighter guitar motif, before another guitar melody drifts in. LaBrie’s vocals sound controlled and as with the rest of the album, this is Dream Theater sounding just so much bigger than before. This song lasts a mesmerising sixteen minutes, but at no time does it sound contrived or laboured. With that amount of time to play with, the track has a flurry of time signature changes. John Petrucci is inspired and delivers a fret melting solo nine minutes in, directly followed by keyboard wizard Jordan Rudess cranking out some crazy riffs of his own, before the pair trade off licks and unisons. There are a few of the growling vocals that caused a certain amount of controversy on their last album Systematic Chaos, but they are fleeting and quickly disappear as more curveballs are thrown in. Some typically wacky Jordan Rudess melodies take the track in a new direction before a more explosive version of the original riff from all of ten minutes ago returns. For an opening album tracks, it’s an enthralling and exhausting musical journey.

A Rite of Passage

How can you follow a song that’s sixteen minutes long? How about one that extends to eight and a half?  There’s an eastern influence in the calm guitar opening which lasts for a matter of seconds before catchy riffs take over. Again there are a few growling vocals in there that might raise a few eyebrows. The chorus is a true arms-aloft anthem, which is no doubt why an edited five-minute version has been chosen as the album’s lead single. The production is also noticeably slick and James LaBrie hasn’t sounded this solid in years. Two thirds of the way in, a new ferocious riff grabs you by the shirt and throws you in another unanticipated direction. Petrucci delivers another killer solo in a flurry of tempo changes. He then passes the baton to Jordan Rudess who produces some hyperactive fingerwork of his own. This song encompasses everything that Dream Theater detractors loathe but everything that their fans will adore.

Wither

Wither is a break from all the intensity, with a five-minute ballad that’s harmonious and intensely hummable.  Much like Vacant on the band’s Train Of Thought album it’s a welcome intermission. There’s even a string section accompanying the immediately infectious chorus and it’s likely to appeal to old-school DT fans. This leads into a lilting piano section before Petrucci provides an almost Brian May like triumphant, song-ending solo.

The Shattered Fortress

This is the final piece of the so-called AA saga, which has seen a musical and lyrical of linking of tracks spread over the last few albums. It will eventually be fixed to the end of Repentance to form a gargantuan concept album to be performed live. The track opens with its own distinctive riff before nodding at the musical motifs from the previous songs in the piece.  There are some truly juddering riffs as well as a fleeting return of those growling vocals that might have some fans (who want Dream Theater to sound like Dream Theater and not Opeth) questioning the band’s motives. There’s a muscular reprise of the opening riff from The Root Of All Evil before another change of pace to an almost symphonic, film-score section. There are more melody changes and frenetic keyboard workouts before the track breaks down into a wonderfully clean guitar sound. It’s another exhilarating and unremitting twelve-minute ride.

The Best of Times

This opens with a beautifully mellow piano motif, before being joined by a string section. The track then rapidly increases in tempo with a driving riff reminiscent of Rush’s Spirit Of Radio. The song is crammed with uplifting melodies, soaring guitars and keyboards and is arguably the most old-school Dream Theater track on the album. It’s also the album’s finest track that will have you straining to press the repeat button.
Lyrically, it’s a touching and heartfelt tribute to Mike Portnoy’s father, Howard, who died at the end of last year. There’s a rousing finale with an extended Petrucci flurry of notes before returning to the tracks signature melody. Utterly bewitching.

The Count of Tuscany

This is the monster – an epic track that extends over nineteen minutes. The opening section sounds like Yes with bite, before heavier riffs take over the song’s direction.
It’s typically Dream Theater, with a vast array of time signature changes and intermingling melodies –  and that’s just in the first three minutes. There are some bombastic heavy riffs that all blend seamlessly with countless melodies. In fact in that regard, it’s reminiscent of the similarly expansive A Change Of Seasons and is destined to become a Dream Theater classic. The latter few minutes are dominated by an almost Pink Floyd guitar elegance, with an acoustic guitar then building to a formidable – if mellow – finale to a compelling album.
There will be plenty of areas of discussion about the merits of the album by the Dream Theater die-hards. But taken as a whole, this is Dream Theater’s finest and most balanced album in a decade. If Systematic Chaos helped them to partially lose the cult band tag, then Black Clouds & Silver Linings with surely take them to the next level.


And this appeared instead on the norwegian fan club website, and includes a quite badass promo pic (gotta love James in the middle looking awesome!!!) :

http://www.dtnorway.com/anmeldeser/35-anmeldelser/66-dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings.html


I must say I'm quite excited for the album, these reviews seems quite promising, even though it looks like they haven't got rid of the things I liked least on the latest albums: random solo sectons and disjointed song structures... but I guess parts of these things will be bound to always be there as long as they'll continue to record immediately whatever they write. Still I'm very thrilled to hear this new baby!!!  8)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on April 28, 2009, 03:06:42 pm
Thanks for posting this here Orodaran!

Well the review looks very promising... like I expected, Wither is a ballad - that's sweet. Still, we'll have to wait and listen

Cool promo pic, much Queen-like to me...


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on April 28, 2009, 09:15:51 pm
EDIT: Pet-Peeve Fixed....


even with it being an import.... $20 for the 3-CD set is better then $35 that i kept finding it.... woot.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 01, 2009, 12:54:04 am
found this Lovely promo picture on http://www.dtnorway.com/anmeldeser/35-anmeldelser/66-dream-theater-black-clouds-and-silver-linings.html


(http://www.dtnorway.com/images/dtbcslpromopic.jpg)


awesome.


As well as this one on Mikes forum:

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/dt1928/2009_2_375.jpg)


we're getting some awesome photos here.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on May 01, 2009, 04:36:02 am
Rich is among the luckiest and received a promo  :)
I didn't and won't read his or others review. I think when the album is released I have my own opinions on songs and I know I will love the album  :D
Dream Theater has never disappointed me before  8)
Is it June 23 already  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Omunae on May 02, 2009, 06:17:08 pm
So when's the video supposed to be released?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on May 03, 2009, 04:57:10 am
So when's the video supposed to be released?

Wondering the same thing. Isn't it about time for a single/promo vid?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on May 03, 2009, 06:29:47 am
I read Rich's review! He is very positive.

I saw some sites have added the cd to their pre-order catalogue now... On www.play.com the 3 disc edition is just € 15,49 or something. Would that be correct  ??? That's the price of the single album on Amazon.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on May 03, 2009, 09:10:07 am
I read Rich's review! He is very positive.

I saw some sites have added the cd to their pre-order catalogue now... On www.play.com the 3 disc edition is just € 15,49 or something. Would that be correct  ??? That's the price of the single album on Amazon.

Hm... that would be too cheap for an entire 3-disc set... is www.play.com trustworth anyways?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on May 03, 2009, 09:43:57 am
I read Rich's review! He is very positive.

I saw some sites have added the cd to their pre-order catalogue now... On www.play.com the 3 disc edition is just € 15,49 or something. Would that be correct  ??? That's the price of the single album on Amazon.

I don't think that's correct, Martijn.
I found the 'normal' cd for € 17,99, special € 19,99 and the especially special  :P (4 cd's & 2 LP's) € 74,99 at
http://www.large-online.nl/bin/shop.php?Sucheintrag=dream+theater&list_sort=&prog=search&tc=SEARCH&stat=yes


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 03, 2009, 03:39:07 pm
I read Rich's review! He is very positive.

I saw some sites have added the cd to their pre-order catalogue now... On www.play.com the 3 disc edition is just € 15,49 or something. Would that be correct  ??? That's the price of the single album on Amazon.

I don't think that's correct, Martijn.
I found the 'normal' cd for € 17,99, special € 19,99 and the especially special  :P (4 cd's & 2 LP's) € 74,99 at
http://www.large-online.nl/bin/shop.php?Sucheintrag=dream+theater&list_sort=&prog=search&tc=SEARCH&stat=yes

 the especially special edition  (:D) would cost me $99.48 (that is a lot and that doesn't include shipping)

I keep laughing at the especially special  part  :D i'm so childish sorry

and i don't see why that isn't possible, on Amazon.com.uk I got the special edition for €11.71....



Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Rich Wilson on May 03, 2009, 05:59:43 pm
Yes, that "review" is from the UK magazine Metal Hammer who asked me to put something together for them in their "house writing style" - so it's not so much an in-depth review as a first impression piece. So that explains why the style is so, well, odd for want of a better word.

For what it's worth, I actually think this is the band's finest album to date  ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Subu on May 04, 2009, 10:17:37 am
Thanks Rich!  Your review has me wondering about the "growly" vocals, but the rest sounds intriguing.....anxiously waiting for June 23!   


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on May 05, 2009, 04:06:44 am
I read Rich's review! He is very positive.

I saw some sites have added the cd to their pre-order catalogue now... On www.play.com the 3 disc edition is just € 15,49 or something. Would that be correct  ??? That's the price of the single album on Amazon.

I don't think that's correct, Martijn.
I found the 'normal' cd for € 17,99, special € 19,99 and the especially special  :P (4 cd's & 2 LP's) € 74,99 at
http://www.large-online.nl/bin/shop.php?Sucheintrag=dream+theater&list_sort=&prog=search&tc=SEARCH&stat=yes

 the especially special edition  (:D) would cost me $99.48 (that is a lot and that doesn't include shipping)

I keep laughing at the especially special  part  :D i'm so childish sorry

and i don't see why that isn't possible, on Amazon.com.uk I got the special edition for €11.71....


 ;D It's not childish to laugh about especially special at all  ;)
But yeah, there seems to be a lot of difference in prices everywhere.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on May 05, 2009, 12:55:29 pm
On the mentioned www.play.com site both editions are available now.

The special 3cd edition can be pre-ordered for € 15,49  See the link here (http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/9692282/Black-Clouds-Silver-Linings/Product.html)
The normal edition is just € 11,99.

Play.com is very trustworthy btw. I order from them for years now, without any problem. But I think they only ship within Europe.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 06, 2009, 12:10:31 am
"A Rite Of Passage" FREE MP3 on RoadrunnerRecords.com - 24-hour promotion!


in case some didn't see this:


Starting on May 5th at 12AM EST GO HERE to download a free MP3 of "A Rite Of Passage" (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/ariteofpassage), the first track from Dream Theater's upcoming album Black Clouds & Silver Linings, in stores 06.23.09.

The FREE MP3 will be available for 24 hours. After that, the track will stream on RoadrunnerRecords.com.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on May 06, 2009, 05:24:53 am
 :o Just WOW !
I LOVE the song !! Thanks for giving us the song DT and RR  8)
I just can't wait for June 23 !


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 06, 2009, 10:39:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r406U7VXO9I


Mike talks about the album title and a few other things with the album


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 08, 2009, 01:05:26 am
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=76990



A Rite Of passage Music video Friday at 4pm


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: dinka on May 08, 2009, 04:18:34 pm
Wow, can't wait for the video!!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 10, 2009, 09:09:04 pm
a few more promo shots


(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5131/dt6p.jpg)
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5189/dt5w.jpg)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6633/dt4d.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Jacob on May 10, 2009, 09:36:22 pm
The first one kicked my ass!


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Krahn on May 11, 2009, 08:05:58 am
Wow! Awesome pics! Thanks for posting, w34vi1 ;)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: SeRoX on May 11, 2009, 08:57:33 am
I love the LaBrie's neckle  :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on May 11, 2009, 06:20:01 pm
They look like some deathmetal band  ;D Death-progmetal band.

What's next? Blastbeats?  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: dinka on May 11, 2009, 06:52:30 pm
Wow! Awesome pics! Thanks for posting, w34vi1 ;)
+1

 :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 11, 2009, 09:04:18 pm
Wow! Awesome pics! Thanks for posting, w34vi1 ;)
+1

 :D

 :D :D :D :D

(just proves i need to get a life :D)


EDIT: Stumbled on this at Wiki (can't say it's too accurate)
But some possible timings for the 6 cover songs:
1.    "Cover 1"      8:10
2.    "Cover 2"      8:16
3.    "Cover 3"      7:59
4.    "Cover 4"      8:18
5.    "Cover 5"      6:30
6.    "Cover 6"      7:15 <- The obvious one is this one. IT IS "To Tame A Land" and if it isn't... then Mike is damn good at throwing all of us off

BTW Cover 1's title be will reveled on the 19th...  8 days from now...


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on May 12, 2009, 03:06:36 am
a few more promo shots

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5131/dt6p.jpg)


I don't know, I might've totally spilled my beans over the nuggets by now...

But did anyone notice this curios thing on the pics: each spotlight is "faced" the same direction as the bandmember respectively?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on May 12, 2009, 12:43:31 pm
Damn, those pics are just awesome!!!!!! even though for us longtime fans it's impossible to NOT notice how JP and MP use the hair straightener.....  :P


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on May 12, 2009, 01:12:02 pm
Damn, those pics are just awesome!!!!!! even though for us longtime fans it's impossible to NOT notice how JP and MP use the hair straightener.....  :P

What does it have to do with their music anyways :P ? They may even dye it blond goddamn it, I don't care as long as their music is still awesome  :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on May 17, 2009, 06:58:28 pm
OK.
It's official. 
So far, I LOVE RoP.  I can't stop singing that riff!!!!



Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 22, 2009, 06:52:04 pm
Hehe was bored and ended up reading the latest Entertainment Weekly (the Eminem cover).

they had the page of Summer releases... and in the bottom corner in very small print, DT is mentioned. the ironic part is it was surrounded by either Hip-hop artists, or pop.

it is very tiny but hey a print is a print....

just thought i'd get that out there, in case people are bored like i was and was thumbing through


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on May 24, 2009, 01:24:54 pm
Anyway, just to brag about it, in Italy it will be avalaible the 19th of June, and I may very likely get it on that day, or the day after anyway... so prepare for me to talk about the album a bit earlier than expected  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 24, 2009, 02:27:21 pm
Anyway, just to brag about it, in Italy it will be avalaible the 19th of June, and I may very likely get it on that day, or the day after anyway... so prepare for me to talk about the album a bit earlier than expected  ;D ;D ;D

I won't get getting my copy til June 30th or July 6th (its coming from the UK)  :(


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: karpatisz on May 29, 2009, 03:06:58 am
Here is a photo from the box set.  :o :o

(http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheater/dtpackage.jpg)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on May 29, 2009, 04:17:40 am
oh. Wow at the photo


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on May 29, 2009, 05:43:24 am
WOW!!!!!!!!!!  :o


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: SeRoX on May 29, 2009, 11:11:37 am
Here is a photo from the box set.  :o :o

(http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheater/dtpackage.jpg)


So I am going to have it  ;D



Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on May 29, 2009, 07:42:05 pm
Here is a photo from the box set.  :o :o

(http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheater/dtpackage.jpg)


So I am going to have it  ;D





Oh

MY

F-in

GOD....

 :o

I wish i had the $130 for that


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: stevolabriemyung on June 04, 2009, 01:03:10 pm
WOW! This album truly is going to be absolutely incredible!! The vocals on it are spectacular!

I love everything DT do, but im so glad they are going back to their roots again!

Stevo  :)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on June 04, 2009, 01:49:13 pm
I think the band loves too when fans don't download the album prior to the release date - or at least, they're smart enough to pretend they didn't  :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Natt on June 04, 2009, 03:17:37 pm
I think the band loves too when fans don't download the album prior to the release date - or at least, they're smart enough to pretend they didn't  :D

+1
at least, not on the official forums

anyways, this statement is based on the single track and the 3 cover songs officially released now, right?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: goo-goo on June 09, 2009, 11:29:16 am
I listened to the album only twice a few weeks ago and have only been listening to AROP. I've enjoyed the first 3 covers that were released but the last one didn't grab me...I'm anxiously waiting to hear the KC cover....


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on June 10, 2009, 03:41:54 pm
Obviously the real album has a sound quality that will be superior to the version that's on the net. I can't wait to rip the songs from the original cd. On the Dutch Roadrunner-site it says release is the 19th here... Hopefully on the saturday I have it.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on June 10, 2009, 05:01:59 pm
 :o On Amazon you can hear samples of the album  :o :o
Just very short samples, but OMG, it brings me to tears.....


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: SeRoX on June 11, 2009, 12:56:21 pm
:o On Amazon you can hear samples of the album  :o :o
Just very short samples, but OMG, it brings me to tears.....

A Nightmare To Remember: The Sample is amazing, gothic elements  ::) could be interesting!
A Rite Of Passage: We know that  ;D
Wither: I hear James lovely voice, soft and comfortable  8)
The Shattered Fortress: What a sound I heard! That exactly could be the best closing 12step suite!
The Best Of Times: Sounds really percect. I fall in love at first sight  :D
The Count Of Tuscany: The song I am looking foward to listening more.

The samples kills me; I suppose; when I listen the whole songs I will write my comments about them from the HEAVEN  ;D ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on June 16, 2009, 01:39:29 pm
Friday I may finally have this baby in my hands, shall we turn this topic into the discussion for the actual album, after 8 pages of anticipation?  ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on June 16, 2009, 01:43:46 pm
Friday I may finally have this baby in my hands, shall we turn this topic into the discussion for the actual album, after 8 pages of anticipation?  ;D

can't really officially talk about something if people don't have their own LEGIT copy. I say wait til Donna deems it safe to talk about it


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: goo-goo on June 16, 2009, 03:37:18 pm
Friday I may finally have this baby in my hands, shall we turn this topic into the discussion for the actual album, after 8 pages of anticipation?  ;D

can't really officially talk about something if people don't have their own LEGIT copy. I say wait til Donna deems it safe to talk about it

The release date on Europe is usually earlier than in the US. I think it will be released on the 18 or 19th. If I'm not mistaken, European releases usually fall on a Thursday ...right Orodoran?


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: w34vi1 on June 16, 2009, 03:52:34 pm
Friday I may finally have this baby in my hands, shall we turn this topic into the discussion for the actual album, after 8 pages of anticipation?  ;D

can't really officially talk about something if people don't have their own LEGIT copy. I say wait til Donna deems it safe to talk about it

The release date on Europe is usually earlier than in the US. I think it will be released on the 18 or 19th. If I'm not mistaken, European releases usually fall on a Thursday ...right Orodoran?

You think i didn't know that... i was saying for the rest of us who won't get it til nearly a week or so later, due to our release dates...


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: ERiKofSWE90 on June 16, 2009, 06:30:18 pm
Reagarding the special soundquality that this album should have, Jordan said in some interview I read that the mixing on BC&SL is basicly a statement towards the loudness war! Thats so good.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on June 16, 2009, 10:16:35 pm
 

can't really officially talk about something if people don't have their own LEGIT copy. I say wait til Donna deems it safe to talk about it

Well...it's really not up to ME, per Se.  It's kind of a sketchy situation really.  How do we handle this one, right?
When Europe gets a release date that is earlier than North America, it's not really THEIR fault.  However, do some of US want the spoilers posted a few days before? 
IMHO, I am not THAT much of a stickler.  You got the CD LEGITIMATELY?  Go ahead and discuss it if you want.  However, I will put *****SPOILERS**** in the title of this thread for Thursday / Friday for a week to give us here a chance to get it, so that if you DON'T want to know about anyone else's opinion before you listen to it, then you can just not look at this thread.   I can pm Rob about it, and get his opinion, and see if he can post about what we can do. 

We have to respect EVERYBODY'S situation here.........okay?
 :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: goo-goo on June 17, 2009, 12:41:55 am
That's what I thought donna. Spoilers in the title so you can decide whether or not to read reviews about the album. There's nothing that European JLB fans can do about the album being released earlier than in the US.

With that said, I think The End Records (in the USA) started shipping today or tomorrow for the Producer's edition. Hopefully I can get it on Friday.


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on June 17, 2009, 09:00:39 am
OK.  I have checked with Rob and even he thinks this is a good plan.  If any of you object, I am going to put the ***spoilers*** tag on this thread tonight (as Europe is at least 6 hours ahead of us), and just don't come in to read if you are REALLY serious about not wanting to know anything about the new CD.  Then just come back Tuesday. 



Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: lutima on June 17, 2009, 11:03:46 am
Some boards don't discuss the album until 23rd, no matter if we, in Europe, get it sooner  ;)
That's the question btw  :P, I pre ordered but that doesn't mean I'll get it sooner. Some stores may already have it though, but sometimes they don't have a new DT album at all. So I'll just wait for my pre order to come in...
Isn't it exciting to wait for the album, it's almost coming....
CAN'T WAIT !!!!!!!!  :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on June 17, 2009, 01:45:49 pm
I pre-ordered the 3cd version, but I will buy the standard version as well. On saturday morning I will quickly check in a store if they have it  ;)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on June 17, 2009, 03:23:13 pm
Well, when I said "I may have it in my hands", I literally meant it - having *it* in my hands, it's released here on friday, and I'm at home from work and have nothing to do and the oratory kids make noise since they're just near my house, so I might as well go and buy it on release date  ;D

And while I have absolutely no problem to put a "spoiler" tag on my post or write here two lines "HEY I ACTUALLY GOT THE ALBUM, DON'T READ IF YOU WANT TO BUY IT WITHOUT KNOWING THE STYLE OF THE SONGS", please don't tell me that if I actually fork cash to buy the album I can't talk about it freely on the message board of the singer of said album  :D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on June 17, 2009, 07:31:03 pm
NO no noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.............
This is why I am gonna put the "spoiler" tag on this thread tomorrow night.   I already went through this.  Don't get me started again...I have an Italian temper too, you know!   :D :D :D

OK.  Rob said we can talk about the CD if we LEGITIMATELY HAVE IT in our hands.  

It's only 5 days between us, guys.  Let's just enjoy the music, okay?  Five days isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of life. 

Thanks
 ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Orodaran on June 18, 2009, 01:27:00 pm
OK.  Rob said we can talk about the CD if we LEGITIMATELY HAVE IT in our hands.  

Hehe, makes me wonder when elsewhise we would have been able to!  ;D and indeed 5 days it's not that much of a time... it's probably the time it will take me to hear it over and over to know A Rite of Passage and Wither (being the second single I hope MP puts it in the set, he must know that when they will play here the album will have been already out!!) by heart in time for my gig   ;D


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: goo-goo on June 18, 2009, 01:48:58 pm
 :o :o :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Donna on June 18, 2009, 03:48:34 pm
:o :o :o :o :o :o

Something crawl into your shirt?  Whassa mattah?


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Orodaran on June 19, 2009, 05:58:07 am
Got the precious  ;D the 3 CD edition, it comes with the 3 CDs in a slim grey slipcase... a bit "cheap" but still better than the live albums 3 CD packages  ;) this noon I will hear it in all of its bombastic glory  8)


Title: Re: DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS (New Album)
Post by: Dargor on June 20, 2009, 04:45:45 am
OK.  Rob said we can talk about the CD if we LEGITIMATELY HAVE IT in our hands.  

Hehe, makes me wonder when elsewhise we would have been able to!  ;D and indeed 5 days it's not that much of a time... it's probably the time it will take me to hear it over and over to know A Rite of Passage and Wither (being the second single I hope MP puts it in the set, he must know that when they will play here the album will have been already out!!) by heart in time for my gig   ;D

Legitimately in your hands means you haven't stolen the original cd out of a cd-store  ;D ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Orodaran on June 20, 2009, 06:41:49 am
Nah, my wallet definitively weighs 22,90 euros less after my trip to the store  ;D yesterday I heard all the THREE discs.... the instrumental songs anyway are different, they've cut a bit of the intros, they're not "just" the same songs without James.... anyway, I love Wither and the end of The Count of Tuscany, gotta hear this more and more  ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Dargor on June 20, 2009, 08:08:12 am
I started to cry during The Best of Times... when I was concentrating on the lyrics, knowing it's about Mike's dad... The combination of the music, the lyrics abd the death of Mike's father made me emotional. I love that song!

Wither is a beauty too. More later  ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 20, 2009, 08:33:44 am
Yes, DT songs tend to make the stocks in Kleenex go up for us in our house too!   :D  I bought about 8 boxes on sale last week, so I am prepared for this new CD on the 23rd.   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Dargor on June 20, 2009, 09:41:16 am
hahaha... yes, I know.  ;D I cry easily anyway. And with that particular song... lol

Be prepared after the first two songs ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 20, 2009, 01:32:09 pm
Hooooooooooooooooooo baby...mama IS ready!   ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: w34vi1 on June 21, 2009, 09:44:14 pm
So how about the new look the DT main site is sporting. Pretty awesome!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: SeRoX on June 22, 2009, 01:47:52 am
So how about the new look the DT main site is sporting. Pretty awesome!

Pretty well. Also looks better then the pre-one!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 22, 2009, 09:11:31 am
VERY well done, indeed.  I LOVE it.  The last one looked very....."cold" after a while.  This one is way more lively and interactive. 


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Orodaran on June 22, 2009, 10:31:23 am
Also more trippy... like puppies on acid  ;D

Anyway, after a couple of days some musings on the new DT album...

A NIGHTMARE TO REMEMBER - This one is quite cool, maybe a bit too long but a very nice and strong epic... the intro is eerie and spooky, very atmospheric, and while the heavy verses are ok, the real highlight is the more melodic interlude, which is a real gem. The "rap" part is a bit out of place, but it's so wicked and cool that I feel a sort of guilty pleasure in liking it  ;D but all in all a nice piece, but I have to agree with that Norway review (was it from DTNorway?) that the song was a bit too long, but it's still enjoyable and I said the "in peaceful sedation I lay half awake" part is awesome and worth the entire piece  8)

A RITE OF PASSAGE - Well, we all know this by now, catchy and nice song with a chorus that sticks immediately in your ear, this must be a treat to hear live! but I stand by my initial impression that the solo section is the most "copy and paste" they've ever done, it starts and ends so suddenly that it's not even funny... there are some live improvised jams that, when they return into the song, flow much better than this!

WITHER - It's not that I don't know why I love Dream Theater..... but I like to get reminded every now and then  ;D I had a big smile on my face listening for the first time to this ballad, I loved how the gentle voice of James was warming me inside with his delicate touches in the verses and then the chorus, which is really touching and emotional. Some people may call this a pop tune and a coworker of mine says he loathes it, that they're back to the FII era, but I wholeheartedly disagree, this is a well crafted song that gives you EMOTIONS, and this is what I always wanted from DT: their musical skills put at the service of a song with its own identity and feel and James put in condition to shine with his beautiful voice... don't tell me anything either way you setlist lurkers but I really hope to see this live next sunday, as I said elsewhere Mike must know that the album is out here!!!

THE SHATTERED FORTRESS - So, this is it, the end of the Twelve Steps  :P I must say that I expected everything except a fade in for the song, the end of Repentance calls for a sudden start of the next piece and I'm not entirely sure of how MP means it to connect.... but in the end I went for the "real" start of the song, I couldn't resist but doing already the merging of the 12 Steps songs  ;D and until I did it, I never realized how good Repentance connects to the end of The Root of All Evil... anyway, with more listenings this song is growing on me, even though at the beginning I was a bit puzzled by it - it looked like the song was a revisitation of all the previous ones (yeah, I know it's probably meant that way), and it had a "season finale", "greatest hits" feel to it, with some of the reprises not flowing so well... but now I've come to like them, guess it needed just time to get used to it  ;) and I was also terribly curious about the end - I've always thought that they should have went for a more symphonic and slower reprise of the end of The Glass Prison, that seemed a good way to end it all... but I'm not saying that the real ending sucks, I'm just saying how I imagined it. It's cool however to see this thing brought to end, and when I heard the final reprise of the beginning of it all, I really felt the song(s) have come full circle and that it was finally complete... but as Mike is relieved to have finished this, I am "happy" too that the next album won't have to have a song dedicated to this anymore - they already write so few songs, even though quite long, and knowing one had to be kept for the saga wasn't fun anymore  ;) anyway, bring on this whole thing live!

THE BEST OF TIMES - Wow. I guess this is the song Mike described as the "Learning to Live" one of the lot, with his famous quote of 5 DT gems... this is a very touching tribute to his father and reading how he played it to him, sung by him, before he passed away makes me feel and hope that Mike will be able to cling to those moments, and also to the ones nicely touched in the song, to cope with this loss... like the ending lyrics say: "My heart is bleeding bad, but I'll be okay, your spirit leads my life each day". The intro takes its time but it's really beautiful, few notes (opposed to the gazillion ones that these guys made us used to), and when the song kicks in, it's such a nice moment! the first time I heard the guitar riff coming in I was a bit "WTF", I was worried, "what's happening now"...  ;D but the jump into a nicely paced, uplifting rock tone, with an Images-and-Words-ish vibe so beautiful and appropriate, is just great. Also, this song is so beautiful because it's coherent and well structured - I may not consider the chorus the best one ever, and I think that the outro solo is a bit too long, but this is a SONG that wants to convey a feel, an emotion, a message, and GREATLY DOES IT. This is a nice example of how to keep the same feel to a song even if it's that long, and this is what The Ministry of Souls should have been and isn't, what Endless Sacrifice should have been and isn't. I hope, aside from the touching and heartfelt tribute this song is, that it will serve them as a reminder of how to not spoil a song with something that does not belong to the message it carries...

THE COUNT OF TUSCANY - And here we have the big one, 20 minutes of italian countryside insanity  ;D quite a niece piece anyway, and I like it probably more than the other epic, the album opener... the intro takes a lot to happen, but it does not sound boring, and (putting aside the quite WTF lyrics) I think that what I said for A Nightmare to Remember works also here: while the heavy section is nice (and let's not forget the trippy middle section with that Octavarium feel), the melodic part is what really makes the song stand out... the intro is cool, the heavy part is catchy, the trippy ambient section is unexpected and cool, but the ending... OH MY THE ENDING!!!! once again as for Wither I had a big smile on my face for this one: starting off calm, acoustic, and then growing into something magical and beautiful, and yet not so over-dramatic and bombastic like some other album endings.... very, very beautiful and well done, and something I can't wait to behold live!!! a very wonderful ending to a quite great album, which I consider already superiour to Systematic Chaos... time will tell if it will age to become my favorite post-SFAM album, which is currently Octavarium  ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 22, 2009, 01:56:53 pm
Great review, Andrea!  I am excited to go get my copy tomorrow....

And just so y'all know, we are now NOT the only Board allowing discussion of the CD in light of the fact that there were earlier release dates over "the pond". 
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2296597.aspx

Discuss away, and if you are gonna be OCD about the 1 day, then close your eyes!
 :D :D :D



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: w34vi1 on June 22, 2009, 02:11:55 pm
Great review, Andrea!  I am excited to go get my copy tomorrow....

And just so y'all know, we are now NOT the only Board allowing discussion of the CD in light of the fact that there were earlier release dates over "the pond". 
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2296597.aspx

Discuss away, and if you are gonna be OCD about the 1 day, then close your eyes!
 :D :D :D



I won't get mine til the 30th...but I can't wait to see what is going to be said... that way I can compare when i get my copy  ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Dargor on June 23, 2009, 05:33:19 am
I don't have the time to write such an extensive review, but I can say some  ;)

These are (in order) my favorite songs after quite some listens.

1. The Best of Times
-------------------------------
2. Wither
3. A Nightmare to Remember
4. The Shattered Fortress
5. The Count of Tuscany
-------------------------------
6. A Rite of Passage.

I write the lines because there is a very, very solid number one... and a number six that is really far behind the rest. What a relief I can rate the album overall as a 8,5, where AROP is only a 6 for me.

The Best of Times, to me, is one of the best Dream Theater-songs. Wither is a simple song really, but a ballad that I could instantly fall in love with. James vocals and the guitars are awesome.

Later I'll write some again, but I will think about it... These are just random thoughts.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Subu on June 23, 2009, 12:15:56 pm
First impression...... :o ;D 8) :'( 8) :-*.....such rockin' awesomeness.....very tasty....James sounds incredible!!  I have goose bumps.....
Wither is all I hoped it would be....beautiful......The Best of Times has me in tears, having lost my dad just a few months before MP lost his.....
listening to The Count of Tuscany for the first time right now........

DT has done it again!!  I think this is my favorite release since 6DOIT.......must listen several more times before I can offer any concrete review, but I am so happy to have this in my hands....and ears......

James - you simply RAWK THE HOUSE with this one.....you vocals are so strong and warm and incredible!!  Rock on!!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Irock on June 23, 2009, 01:06:06 pm
I haven't had the chance to buy the album yet, (waiting to use someone's debit card to get the collector's edition-- not having a debit card sucks) but I have heard it. Black Clouds and Silver Linings is their best album in years. There's not one song on the album that I don't like, and there's not one song on the album that I don't love. I'm not good with reviewing things, but this album is simply a must have.

By the way, LaBrie's vocals haven't sounded this good in a while.

EDIT: Ordered the collector's edition earlier tonight. :]


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: w34vi1 on June 24, 2009, 02:52:53 am
EDIT: Ordered the collector's edition earlier tonight. :]


Awesome! i wish i had the $130 to get once myself... oh well if i can at least get my hands on the Vinyls for my collection I'll be content


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: lutima on June 24, 2009, 03:44:35 am


By the way, LaBrie's vocals haven't sounded this good in a while.


Sorry Irock, nothing personal but I think this is total crap...James' voice has been this great for many MANY years and every new album people say 'James vocals sound so much better' and it pisses me off  >:(
James f*ckin' ROCKS !!

/rant  ;D



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Dargor on June 24, 2009, 06:08:43 am
I don't hear any difference either  ;) I really like the vocals as much as I did on the previous albums.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Subu on June 24, 2009, 08:30:18 am
I think every fan has a right to express their opinion without fear of reproach by other fans.....

@Irock.....I think James voice has steadily improved ever since the 6DOIT era as well.....I would suppose this is something James would hope for and admit to as well, seeing as he actively seeks continued vocal training.   Any artist that rests on his/her laurels instead of seeking continued improvement in skills, execution, etc, is an artist who's days are numbered, imho.  A car needs maintenance on a regular basis to keep running well.....a human voice is no different......continued maintenance is a must to stay in the best shape for the task at hand.  Saying James has improved is NOT automatically saying he sucked on previous albums - which seems to be the feeling of some members of this board.  Instead, it is confirmation that James is, indeed, seeking and working towards, as well as achieving success in his quest to continually improve.   When you take your car in to get the oil changed or the engine tuned, you are not saying the car was a POS prior to that - it is simply maintenance that must be done to keep the car in the best running condition.......



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 24, 2009, 09:10:01 am
Let's remember that James has switched vocals coaches since SFAM as well.  I am sure his chords took some adjusting to that, and he's maybe had to re-learn some things?   Who knows?  He has posted here (graciously) about this topic - having to defend himself twice, I believe.  I think we should just enjoy the music for what it says to us as well.   
This argument has been spliced over and over it seems, and you know, this happens every album.    I wish we had a "beating a dead horse" emoticon - I have seen it, but sometimes, when I hear the "Oh James this and James that" stuff, I want to put it up.   :D :D :D

Anyways, I finally have my copy - I got it last night!  And today I am cleaning the bedrooms and up here, so i am gonna plug away and give it a good listen until about 11-ish. 

Off I goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Edited to add:
  Oh my gosh.  I haven't cried this much since Octavarium.  This CD is one I can listen to all the way through, and to me, is very reminiscent of Octavarium, but is dealing with so many different issues at the same time.  I love it. 
Fav song at this point:  The Shattered Fortress.  I didn't think I could get through Nightmare to Remember, but now, I see, that this song means more to me than it should.  Yes, I agree, Wither is a good ballad.  The Best of Times reminds me very much of Funeral for A Friend (Elton John); but it is a wonderful tribute from a son to his father.  Kudos to Mike for sharing this part of his life with us.  Rite of Passage just friggin rocks to me - a great commentary on not only "cultic" sects, but also on anyone who has "an iron fence to keep you out".   ;)

Just throwing out my thoughts randomly, but I might just edit and add more later. 
Gotta go for now

....but I have to say this:   Emotionally - DT...you guys are KILLING ME!!!!   :'( :'( :'( :D  I am forced to deal with things in my life once again.  You have written lyrics to make me "go there".  I dunno how I am gonna sneak in a box of Kleenex into the Molson Amphitheater!! 

 ;D




Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Subu on June 24, 2009, 12:22:57 pm
OMG.....Wither is just such a BEAUTIFUL song!!!  Perfect......it is my front runner from BC&SL at this point......James voice is so gorgeous on this song....the song itself it so well structured and allowed to bask in its simple elegance.....every note is perfectly placed.....I LOVE this song!  8)  8)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: goo-goo on June 24, 2009, 01:17:06 pm
How's everybody doing with this release?

Personally I'm enjoying it a lot and way more than their previous two efforts. Octavarium and Syst. Chaos only had some songs that were ok, and never did much to me anyways.

On the other hand, BC is just simply amazing. Wither is astonishing and The Count of Tuscany mesmerizing...I can't stop listening to both of those songs. A nightmare to rmeember is good, although I think that song could of lacked some outside ears since there's a couple of sections that I'm not very fond of...The song starts great and just around the 8 minute mark, I think the band lost it a bit. AROP, well, we all heard it before..It's a rocking song..way better than Constant Motion...could have lived without the JR's Bebop solo...TSF is a good song...a great one to close the AA suite, although as a single song, it doesn't do much for me (although I like it, don't get me wrong). I was expecting something more original instead of a flashback of songs...but again, I do enjoy it a lot and it's really great. I think James' voice is great on this one...

Those are my quick words on the album...It's been in constant rotation for a bit now....and everytime the album is over, I feel that I need to go back and listen to it again, which was soemthing that DT was lacking recently (at least in my playlists anyways).



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Dargor on June 24, 2009, 01:29:50 pm
Nice to see some meanings/reviews coming in folks... I am/was curious what you guys think/thought.

I would place this album above Systematic Chaos and Octavarium as well. With this album, compared to those, I feel the 75 minutes do pass so much sooner! We all know it's a good thing when music makes time run faster. I could easily listen to the album twice in a row, and I never did that with Octavarium and SC. Also I think this album as a whole is really a unity. Octavarium was a collection of good songs, but never sounded like one comprehensive album. Some songs were very different from one another.

Yes, The Best of Times does make me cry as well  :'(

I agree with you on A Nightmare to Remember Oscar... I do have some (minor) problems with Mike's vocal input and the blastbeat-part. A Rite of Passage is somewhat cliché to me... but those all minor complaints. Point is that I love the cd.

Yeah, quite some people are turned off by the 'recycling' in The Shattered Fortress... I think that song is simply representing all previous songs about the AA-story. The guys do want to present this as one song on stage. One, big 60+ minute song. With this intention I can understand they did it this way. We also heard pieces of The Glass Prison in This Dying Soul if I am correct... or was it Panic Attack? Anyway, I like the song as well ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Orodaran on June 24, 2009, 02:48:31 pm
I would place this album above Systematic Chaos and Octavarium as well. With this album, compared to those, I feel the 75 minutes do pass so much sooner! We all know it's a good thing when music makes time run faster. I could easily listen to the album twice in a row, and I never did that with Octavarium and SC. Also I think this album as a whole is really a unity. Octavarium was a collection of good songs, but never sounded like one comprehensive album. Some songs were very different from one another.

Well, I consider this album too far superior to SC, but I'm still undecided about Octavarium; I will have to see how it will age with time to see if I like it more than that album.... which I don't consider as a "collection of good songs", I think it works as an album and, you know, I think having some songs very different from one another is what keeps an album interesting  ;) and after all, DT have always had different songs in an album - The Silent Man and The Mirror are in the same album, and so The Glass Prison and Disappear... personally, the more difference, the better, for me!

Also, another thing I noticed, is how many people talk, for the good or for the bad, about this or that part - there's someone not liking the growling part in Nightmare, there's others who love the ending of Count, and so on... I think this is a bit unavoidable due to the writing style the guys adopt - writing and recording with many ideas being forged into a song... back in the day we were talking about songs, now we're dealing about specific parts of songs - at times I wish that all these parts would stand alone on its own, back on the "songs different one from the other" issue  ;) for example, listening Awake the other day I was impressed by its diversity, it had really everything: an acoustic ballad, a piano ballad, some very heavy tunes, two full epic songs, an instrumental... and I guess that we still have all of this on the newer albums - but at times all combined into ONE song, and sometimes it's nice, but other times not... for example, instead of talking about "the quieter part in A Nightmare to Remember", I wonder what it woul be like if we were talking about "that prog/rock ballad so intense" and "that full heavy song that gets even heavier at the end with MP handling vocals", like we discuss songs that are just ballads or just heavy... the band is on record saying more than once "long songs are usual for us, the challenge is to write a short song", and when they write a short song, it's usually quite simple or a "single". Now, make no mistake - Itotally *LOVE* songs like Wither, Forsaken, I Walk Beside You, I don't consider them pop songs or silly songs, I love them and I die to hear them live, but I think the REAL challenge for the guys should be writing *short* *prog* songs. 6:00, Caught in a Web, Innocence Faded for example are all songs that are undeniabily prog, with many twists and turns, and undeniabily short, I guess that's what missing lately in the recent albums, which are (especially SC) a bit cluttered with songs that are not "epic", but just "long"...

Anyway, all of these musings of mine may make it look like I dislike the new album, but let me state once more that I quite dig it, in facts I'm gonna listen to it again as I will press the "Post" button  :D after all, I'm realizing that I got what I wanted on this disc, after all: I wanted a good dose of emotions and they're there (Wither, for example), I wanted cohesive songs that are not hijacked by a random solo section and look at The Best of Times, 13 minutes of bittersweet emotions, I wanted songs to be epic because of many different time changes and not just "long" songs, and there's no denying that A Nightmare to Remember and The Count of Tuscany are intricated and a roller-coaster ride of time and mood changes, so, as I said, let's push Play and, as James wanted, let's make my ear bleed on this  8)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Natt on June 24, 2009, 03:13:50 pm
Just got my hands on this one and --

OH. MY. GOD.  :o I thought it would be a nice album. I was terribly mistaken. It's freakin' AWESOME. I was lost for words the first time I heard it. Wonderful.

A Nightmare to Remember had me a bit spooked by its atmosheric intro and heavy riffs - for a while I thought DT went gothic or death  :D But I loved the way heavy parts blended with softer ones, the song really has more levels to it than I expected. I don't mind both the blastbeats and MP's grunts - they sound very cool actually, and fit the song very much. And continuum solo raawks!

A Rite of Passage - probably my least favourite of the album. It has a good riff, cool groove, catchy chorus and JR's wacky solo, but still it's not so good as other tracks. Well imo of course.

Wither - might be DT's finest ballad since Vacant. So full of feelings. Once again, the softer side of James' voice is his strong side ;).  Keyboard choir and guitars are very touching too. I keep listening to this one over and over.

The Shattered Fortress - a truly one grand finale. Honestly, this is something I expected them to do - base this last part of 12 step suite on themes from previous parts. But it's great nevertheless.

The Best Of Times nearly had me in tears. It's so beautiful and so sad, with great personal lyrics from Mike, and James delivers them right to the point, reaching deep to a listener's heart. Towards the end it reminded me a bit of Ministry of Lost Souls. An amazing tribute to Mike's father, I also hope to hear the version with Mike on vocals some day.

The Count of Tuscany - a diamond of the album and my third favourite DT epic (above are ACOS and Octavarium - the song). It's just splendid, first to last note. It reminded me slightly of Pink Floyd right away. And I loved James' vocals on this one. Well he certainly did a great job on the entire album, but to me Wither and TCoT stand out vocally.

And agreeing with all people on this board who said the entire album was emotionally strong - it's an absolute killer, both musically and emotionally.

As for the instrumental versions, they don't sound so great without vocals and guitar and key solos. Nice but definitely lack something  ;)




Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Donna on June 24, 2009, 03:36:59 pm
I am just about to spin it for the 3rd time as I vacuum the living room  :D :D :D.  I do indeed love this CD so far, but I can't put it above Octavarium.  I am loving Shattered Fortress and now these songs are growing on me like vines on a trellis.  I even just had my bro over and he raised his brow when I got him to hear the beginning of COT.  Awesomeness.  I tell you. 

The funny thing is, I bought my daughter the new Miley Cyrus CD last night as well (it was on SALE..OK? ) ....and it's funny to see her singing her new stuff and confusing me completely.   :P  Please don't shoot me!  Or maybe someone should!   :D :D :D 

Anyway............ ;D



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Natt on June 24, 2009, 03:51:52 pm
I do indeed love this CD so far, but I can't put it above Octavarium. 

Me neither


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 01:09:15 am
I haven't had a chance to listen to the album yet (as I am still waiting for my copy) However i have a question...

Why does this album seem to be getting worse criticism from EVERYONE (not here bot other places) then any of their past albums?


I've noticed a lot of "bitching" on Mike's forum, and reviews from other sites just seem to never have anything good to say about it.


since AROP has been out, I for one love the song. I like the direction it is taking... yet i guess like Mike put it for 8v, Everything is never enough...

I guess once i get my hands on my copy i can determine for myself, yet i just feel like there is too much bad mouthing about this album (again not anyone here... but on Mike's forum, and some reviews made in the past two days)

I've also noticed the complaining about the change to ProgNation's North American leg bands... people are really saying that they are glad it won't be in their area, or they want a refund... and for the first time i find that shameful. I'm sure i'm not the only one, and i've seen it before in the past. yet for some reason now it really bothers me. The comments made in general are starting to become rather mean, and not constructive, its become down right mean

I guess i am just spoiled by being on a forum with caring people who see the good things in everything... which i have no problem with. Overall its not that i doubt Dream Theater's new album, it just worries me that the fans are going to drag some issues to far....


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: Natt on June 25, 2009, 03:00:26 am
Why does this album seem to be getting worse criticism from EVERYONE (not here bot other places) then any of their past albums?

I've been wondering it myself for quite a while. I cannot say it's worse, it has happened to every DT album since SFAM, but the mass media and internet are growing, so the fuss is growing to a larger scale too. Since almost everyone has an opportunity to have their piece of mind on the internet, it seems inevetable. But honestly, I expected a warmer reception for BC&SL, since it's so great.

The first reason is the old "everything is never enough". With every album DT change their sound, bring new elements to their music. Once something new is out there, the bashing starts "this is not what I expected", assuming their music should be predictable. DT are not about what others expect them to be, they're what they want to be, and they know where they stand. Take it or leave it.

Second - "Metropolis pt 3". A lot of people want them to do that again, somehow they see this point in repeating themselves.

Third - "DT sold out". "Trying to keep up and sound up to date = going commercial", and unfortunately not a lot of people can see beyond that.

Fourth - take the time. Some kinds of music need time to be appreciated, and so does DT's music. Octavarium is a good example - not a lot people were able to get into it and claimed it was a letdown compared to ToT, but now after some time passed it is referred to as "DT classics".

Last but not least - prejudice. A huge amount of prejudice. Listeners have become too picky, nothing seems to please them, and they listen to every new stuff with crossed hands and "c'mon try to impress me" attitude. Seems if DT released, say, "Another Day", now, it'd all be the same - "too soppy, too commercial, too soft, too whatever, and DT are running out of their steam".

well this is at least how I see it. I tried to make it to the point.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS **POSSBILE SPOILERS BEGINNING JUNE 19**
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 03:39:55 am
Why does this album seem to be getting worse criticism from EVERYONE (not here bot other places) then any of their past albums?

I've been wondering it myself for quite a while. I cannot say it's worse, it has happened to every DT album since SFAM, but the mass media and internet are growing, so the fuss is growing to a larger scale too. Since almost everyone has an opportunity to have their piece of mind on the internet, it seems inevetable. But honestly, I expected a warmer reception for BC&SL, since it's so great.

The first reason is the old "everything is never enough". With every album DT change their sound, bring new elements to their music. Once something new is out there, the bashing starts "this is not what I expected", assuming their music should be predictable. DT are not about what others expect them to be, they're what they want to be, and they know where they stand. Take it or leave it.

Second - "Metropolis pt 3". A lot of people want them to do that again, somehow they see this point in repeating themselves.

Third - "DT sold out". "Trying to keep up and sound up to date = going commercial", and unfortunately not a lot of people can see beyond that.

Fourth - take the time. Some kinds of music need time to be appreciated, and so does DT's music. Octavarium is a good example - not a lot people were able to get into it and claimed it was a letdown compared to ToT, but now after some time passed it is referred to as "DT classics".

Last but not least - prejudice. A huge amount of prejudice. Listeners have become too picky, nothing seems to please them, and they listen to every new stuff with crossed hands and "c'mon try to impress me" attitude. Seems if DT released, say, "Another Day", now, it'd all be the same - "too soppy, too commercial, too soft, too whatever, and DT are running out of their steam".

well this is at least how I see it. I tried to make it to the point.

I totally agree with all of those reasons. it just seems with the age of MTV (mot much anymore) but VH1, Billboard, etc... that people are just never happy.

I'll admit Awake was not one of my favorites when i first listened to it, same with FII, but as time goes by, I like them. same with WDADU, there is just something about it that tends to grow on me. It just takes time.

it just worries me that the more people nit-pick the closer we are to not getting any more from the guys... I'm sure Mike is pulling his hair out with all the comments that are being made on his forum...  its one thing to say, "i'm not sure about this song, give me some time..." but to be all "I think this song sucks..." or "they need to do it this way" is rather inconsiderate... Like my mom said after i told her about this, we're lucky the band is still together making music, doing what they enjoy. We should feel grateful they are willing to share their talents with the public. and i have to say i agree with her.


the Metropolis pt 3 thing is getting rather old... the guys will do another concept album (not necessarily part 3) when they feel like it... otherwise get over it and move on...

the fan base has been switching, more and more "metal-heads" are picking up the band and are becoming the voice of the fans, however some of the fans who have been in the mix through out the Evolution of the band have learned to accept the new directions.

I got into DT with SFAM (summer of 2004 was when i got a hold of that album)  since then i have collected every other album they've made. I may have got into them late in life, however I'm open minded on how they sounded. I went from SFAM, to awake, to ToT, then to I&W and then picked up FII, 6DOIT, WDADU (talk about jumping around) and i could see the changes but also i was able to enjoy many levels at different times, to where now ANYTHING they release, I know I will enjoy. If not right off, give a couple of days/weeks/hours and I'll like it.


i guess open mindness is the key here... I just with others would learn to use that.


EDIT: anyone who has the deluxe set, who has it in their hands, find a silver ticket? so far three have been found from Mike's forum...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2009, 12:58:43 pm
Hey w34vi1, here's my comment regarding the PN incident.

I know it wasn't MP's or the bands' fault, but with the changes that happened, I would definitely seek out a refund. A lot of people purchased them because of PoS and Beardfish. The change wasn't in anybody's hands (except for SPV). It's like if you order a pepperoni pizza, and then you get an anchovies pizza, you would definitey demand a) another pizza, or b) your money back. If they are not satisfied with option a) then b) would be next (getting your money back).  You are not getting what you paid for. People are going to get screwed because of Ticketmaster's and LiveNation's policies. They are simply not getting what they paid for originally. I appreciate what MP and DT's management did and accomodate two other bands but it's a very simple issue. As I said, TM's and LN's policies are going to make it a bit more complicated. For other fans PoS and Beardfish were just a plus and probably just purchased the ticket to watch DT. But for others it wasn't. Sucks that under the circumstances, people are going to get screwed.

Again, I'm not dissing the band, or anything and I don't want a "never enough" reference. THis is my opinion and one that comes from a DIE HARD DT Fan. I own everything the band has put out (bootlegs, side projects, tour books, t shirts, limited and exclusive editions, fanclub cds, unofficial boots, hell..I even have a DT FII hourglass, promotional item from China, i even have a JLB fan page which hasn't been updated in a while and also assemebled one of JLB's solo tour photo collection from pictures taken during the tour...I'm a DT collector) and the people around this forum (and others) know how passionate I am about DT. THis is going to be a very difficult issue for the band to resolve, and I doubt it is going to get resolved.

I'm all for defending the band and expressing positive things about the band, hell, they are one of my role models but I have a right to express when something is wrong or unfair since at the end,it is the consumer (fan) that's going to get hurt most of the times. DT is not going to lose any money over this issue.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 03:03:42 pm
Hey w34vi1, here's my comment regarding the PN incident.

I know it wasn't MP's or the bands' fault, but with the changes that happened, I would definitely seek out a refund. A lot of people purchased them because of PoS and Beardfish. The change wasn't in anybody's hands (except for SPV). It's like if you order a pepperoni pizza, and then you get an anchovies pizza, you would definitey demand a) another pizza, or b) your money back. If they are not satisfied with option a) then b) would be next (getting your money back).  You are not getting what you paid for. People are going to get screwed because of Ticketmaster's and LiveNation's policies. They are simply not getting what they paid for originally. I appreciate what MP and DT's management did and accomodate two other bands but it's a very simple issue. As I said, TM's and LN's policies are going to make it a bit more complicated. For other fans PoS and Beardfish were just a plus and probably just purchased the ticket to watch DT. But for others it wasn't. Sucks that under the circumstances, people are going to get screwed.

Again, I'm not dissing the band, or anything and I don't want a "never enough" reference. THis is my opinion and one that comes from a DIE HARD DT Fan. I own everything the band has put out (bootlegs, side projects, tour books, t shirts, limited and exclusive editions, fanclub cds, unofficial boots, hell..I even have a DT FII hourglass, promotional item from China, i even have a JLB fan page which hasn't been updated in a while and also assemebled one of JLB's solo tour photo collection from pictures taken during the tour...I'm a DT collector) and the people around this forum (and others) know how passionate I am about DT. THis is going to be a very difficult issue for the band to resolve, and I doubt it is going to get resolved.

I'm all for defending the band and expressing positive things about the band, hell, they are one of my role models but I have a right to express when something is wrong or unfair since at the end,it is the consumer (fan) that's going to get hurt most of the times. DT is not going to lose any money over this issue.

I get what you are saying. it just seems stupid to be stewing on it and making it bigger then it was intended to be. I do agree TM and LN are going to throw a wrench it in all, they have for many people before the dates for the US were all confirmed.

Yet i just don't see why people have to make a big deal about two bands dropping out... I guess that's just me. I would be grateful to see DT regardless who is with them. It gives me a chance to listen to other bands. GOOD tours are rare in my area (for the most part we get Queensryche, cause they are up the road, and Megadeth, cause they are down the road.) but other bands who are not in the "popularity" spotlight are rare in this area, and I know LN has their hands in that...


I guess i should jut say people should be grateful to even have a Stop from the area... (yet i do understand your reason behind this.)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2009, 03:16:44 pm
The thing is I don't think it's about being grateful or not for having a stop at their towns.

I think the problem is that they are not getting what they were advertising at first.

We (fans) have had this argument before about being or not being grateful that DT stops at their town. I think this is a completely different issue.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 03:21:30 pm
The thing is I don't think it's about being grateful or not for having a stop at their towns.

I think the problem is that they are not getting what they were advertising at first.

We (fans) have had this argument before about being or not being grateful that DT stops at their town. I think this is a completely different issue.

I'm not saying that EVERY fan is ungrateful about it. Its just been an observation from Mike's forum and such... Changes happen, yes. But sometimes people take their "rage" about this a little to far.


it might be different for me if they were in my area... but as someone who is just observing until a possible date it just seems rather inconsiderate of some people. Sometimes things like this change everything, but given the current economic situation of the US, i honestly don't see any of this changing back.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2009, 03:43:09 pm
The thing is I don't think it's about being grateful or not for having a stop at their towns.

I think the problem is that they are not getting what they were advertising at first.

We (fans) have had this argument before about being or not being grateful that DT stops at their town. I think this is a completely different issue.

I'm not saying that EVERY fan is ungrateful about it. Its just been an observation from Mike's forum and such... Changes happen, yes. But sometimes people take their "rage" about this a little to far.


it might be different for me if they were in my area... but as someone who is just observing until a possible date it just seems rather inconsiderate of some people. Sometimes things like this change everything, but given the current economic situation of the US, i honestly don't see any of this changing back.

But I think this rage is somewhat valid. Whether the way its expressed or said is a whole different issue. The tour locations is a whole different issues and reasons why they don't tour areas has been posted/said/explained before.

BIG PROBLEM ROB>: As I am typing this, the screen where I'm replying flickers up and down. It happens when there's more text in teh box than the one showed. Anybody else have any problems like this? I cant' even type correctly...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 03:56:04 pm
I just don't remember this much issue when SC came out.... (despite that being 2 years ago)





Well I JUST got my hands on my Copy. The CD "cover" holder thing was squished, yet everything else is fine. I'm willing to over look the outer case, for the fact that it came all the way from Germany. So either later today, or tomorrow I'll have my own review of the album (I am excited)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2009, 04:03:53 pm
I just don't remember this much issue when SC came out.... (despite that being 2 years ago)

Well I JUST got my hands on my Copy. The CD "cover" holder thing was squished, yet everything else is fine. I'm willing to over look the outer case, for the fact that it came all the way from Germany. So either later today, or tomorrow I'll have my own review of the album (I am excited)

The issue was there but they were a lot less posts about it since some crossed the line. But the issue is not the album, the issue right now is the tour. I think the album has gotten more appraisal than SC, which I agree. Again, there are parts here and there that I could have lived without but they are still tolerable. I was very surprised by this album and I can't stop listening to it. It's very very melodical...I started humming the songs at my 2nd spin which is unusual for any album for me.

Why did you get it from Germany? Did you purchase the vinyl? I got it at Best Buy at the release date....for 4.99 since I had a 10 dollar coupon.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 25, 2009, 04:08:16 pm
I just don't remember this much issue when SC came out.... (despite that being 2 years ago)

Well I JUST got my hands on my Copy. The CD "cover" holder thing was squished, yet everything else is fine. I'm willing to over look the outer case, for the fact that it came all the way from Germany. So either later today, or tomorrow I'll have my own review of the album (I am excited)

The issue was there but they were a lot less posts about it since some crossed the line. But the issue is not the album, the issue right now is the tour. I think the album has gotten more appraisal than SC, which I agree. Again, there are parts here and there that I could have lived without but they are still tolerable. I was very surprised by this album and I can't stop listening to it. It's very very melodical...I started humming the songs at my 2nd spin which is unusual for any album for me.

Why did you get it from Germany? Did you purchase the vinyl? I got it at Best Buy at the release date....for 4.99 since I had a


i guess it just can't apease everyone...


No I got the 3 CD set. At the time i was going to pre-order in the US it was $35. I found it (even with conversion) for $20. So I pre-ordered it. and in all truth some of my best CD's i own have came from outside the US. I got Frameshift from Russia for $10 and TSR only cost me $15 so yeah it just is rather cheaper on my part.  If i could get teh Vinyl for 4.99 i would be so happy... sadly around here it is $28.99


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2009, 04:54:00 pm
I just don't remember this much issue when SC came out.... (despite that being 2 years ago)

Well I JUST got my hands on my Copy. The CD "cover" holder thing was squished, yet everything else is fine. I'm willing to over look the outer case, for the fact that it came all the way from Germany. So either later today, or tomorrow I'll have my own review of the album (I am excited)

The issue was there but they were a lot less posts about it since some crossed the line. But the issue is not the album, the issue right now is the tour. I think the album has gotten more appraisal than SC, which I agree. Again, there are parts here and there that I could have lived without but they are still tolerable. I was very surprised by this album and I can't stop listening to it. It's very very melodical...I started humming the songs at my 2nd spin which is unusual for any album for me.

Why did you get it from Germany? Did you purchase the vinyl? I got it at Best Buy at the release date....for 4.99 since I had a


i guess it just can't apease everyone...


No I got the 3 CD set. At the time i was going to pre-order in the US it was $35. I found it (even with conversion) for $20. So I pre-ordered it. and in all truth some of my best CD's i own have came from outside the US. I got Frameshift from Russia for $10 and TSR only cost me $15 so yeah it just is rather cheaper on my part.  If i could get teh Vinyl for 4.99 i would be so happy... sadly around here it is $28.99

dude, if you buy online go to

www.lasercd.com M<--- Great prog store
and
www.progrock.co.uk



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: lutima on June 25, 2009, 05:05:47 pm

BIG PROBLEM ROB>: As I am typing this, the screen where I'm replying flickers up and down. It happens when there's more text in teh box than the one showed. Anybody else have any problems like this? I cant' even type correctly...

I have the same problems when quoting and not just on this forum  :-\


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Rob on June 26, 2009, 12:47:35 am
This album for me is definitely better than SC and, in parts, is better than anything they've done since SFAM or the second disc of SDOIT for me.  I think one of the best things about the disc is that JP and JR resisted some of the musical wanking that they've been doing recently...I love technical prowess and musicianship but sometimes it can get out of hand.  Plus, I've never been a big fan of JR's solo work.  As gifted as he is, all the solos always sound the same to me.  Anyhow, here's my mini-review:

Nightmare to Remember - my second to least favorite song on the album.  Musically, it's pretty cool throughout; I love JP's solo in the middle of the song but as usual JR's solo work kinda gets boring IMO.  I think the lyrics are rather weak in spots which has become a recurring theme in recent years it seems.  Comparing JP's masterful lyrics on stuff like Metropolis, Innocence Faded, Scarred, or Another Day to this stuff I think illustrates my point.  The lyrics are a lot more "literal" and a lot less poetic lately.  Oh, and I really don't care for the MP rapping stuff in the middle...would have been better if James had just sung those lines IMO.

A Rite of Passage - my third favorite song on the album.  It's of course the "catchy" single type song...sort of a Pull Me Under type deal...but I still like it.  Catchy riff, chorus, and solo section.  Only thing I don't care for is that weird buzzy solo Jordan does at the end of the solo section but luckily they cut him off and get back to the chorus before it goes on too long.

Wither -  Second favorite song on the album.  Great ballad, great imagery laden lyrics, and everyone controls there musicianship.  JP does a tasty solo that fits perfectly and the song wraps up at around 5 minutes leaving you totally satisfied.  Great stuff.

The Shattered Fortress - Least favorite song on the album for me.  I've never really dug the whole AA saga and was getting a little tired of there always being a song on each album about it.  Some have had some pretty cool parts but I thought it was cheesy to just kind of cut and paste the past songs together.  I'm sure it's meant as sort of a reverse overture to wrap up the series, but I still didn't care for it too much.

The Best Of Times - Sort of torn on this one...loved the music and the Rush feel (although I've always hated Rush because of Geddy Lee's voice) and of course the outro solo is God-like, but the lyrics are a bit weak for me.  I realize this is a sensitive subject being about MP's father passing away, but I still prefer more poetic lyrics that are more open to interpretation as opposed to a literal recounting of events with little ambiguity.  For example, Another Day is about JP's dad battling cancer but I doubt you could guess that from the lyrics alone.  Learning to Live is about AIDS but again, I doubt you could guess that from lyrics alone.  There's more imagery there than in the more recent lyrical efforts.

The Count Of Tuscany - Easily my favorite song on the album.  I don't think it compares to past epics like ACOS (definitely beats Octavarium the song though---never understood why people like that one so much) but it's definitely an awesome song.  The lyrics are of course a bit more literal than I prefer but the story is so intriguing, I don't mind.  Musically I think it's great, mainly because everyone controls themselves...there aren't 5 or 6 insane guitar or keyboard solos to drag the song out to 18 minutes, everything is very well-structured and masterfully written and still quite technical when appropriate.  I love the guitar swells in the middle section and the last 5 minutes of the song are incredible.  Awesome tune.

Overall, although there are some things I didn't like, I'm happy with the album.  The Count and Wither alone are worth the price of the CD to me.  After SC I was wondering what the next album might bring...I'm glad it was something like this.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 26, 2009, 05:23:35 am
So after waiting and avoiding the reviews of this album before i got a chance to hear it all, (AROP was an exception and it was hard to restrain from not reading the reviews) I have my thoughts on this album.

A Nightmare To Remember: The Intro with the incoming storm, and the music box like piano intro is so cool. I also enjoy the heavy metal feel that is given in the the intro. There is proof that anything can become influence to anyone. There is a possible hook for new fans in that intro alone. Since I am one who enjoys thicker and darker riffs, this song is very pleasing to my ears. yet it doesn't seem to fall to far from style "tree" that DT has grown. The lyrics, I find rather good. the borderline snarls in James' voice really adds to the darkness of this song. when writing a song about a personal experience, yes it can lose its "magic" however i see it as being a rather strong story about JP's past. It fits the overall Theme of the album. The Darkness and heaviness of the song rather seems to be a magnet for those out there who enjoy heavier sounding songs. Mike's vocal part makes me think of Machine Head's The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears. Yet afterward there is this Thrash-ish riff that seems rather out of place for a normal DT pattern, yet i've noticed each album the guys like to do something that makes you wonder what direction they are going with their music, while they still return to their known forte for music.

A Rite Of Passage: When listening to this song, I couldn't help but get excited about the rest of this album. James' deep and powerful first verse really brings a message to a listener's attention. From what i can gather, this is another one of their "political" songs that steps on toes, yet it just brings out something that might have been one their minds. for all we know JP could have had something on his mind that involved the Freemasonry or another secret society, or even deep then that; only JP knows. I for one hadn't realized the intro was done by JM, UNTIL i saw one of the first video's of them live, (something i might have over looked in the music video), but upon knowing that, I find it rather cool. the echo of the vocals in the "Men of wealth and power..." verse really adds to the music. the music video did a great visual representation to the idea of the song. a great song to use as the first single for a new album.

Wither: If i'm not mistaking this song sounds like it is about major writer's block. It would only seem natural to have writers block, so why not write a song about that block. Seems gold to me. What I love is it doesn't just say, "i had writer's block" but rather "i can't think of anything, but i was able to make a song anyway." yet it doesn't seem as though the song is half-assed. there is some depth behind the music and the lyrics. Word painting is a key proprietor here. i also hear that sometimes it isn't worth fighting the thoughts that may come to be on paper. let things take their own course. The guitar solo as it starts, sounds like the MGM lion roar  :D, yet it fits the song. What i find so amazing behind this song, is the fact you don't know exactly if it is about writer's block, or just giving up on life (which for some could be the same thing). Interpretation is key. With that said, I could be completely wrong on what i hear in this song.

The Shattered Fortress: What a way to end the 12-step suite. The references back to the past 4 songs as well has having its own specific key riffs is awesome. now that all 12 steps have been representing, seeing Mike's path and his images of how each step works is absolutely amazing. The vocal call and response and the roughness in the vocals add to the feel of the entire suite. James does well in being the voice of these 12 steps. and while he's only finishing up steps 10-12, he does very well. the "Fly now be Free" Shout just adds to the darkness. Well done. The closing parts as it wraps up the suite and being back references to the other steps, while also being a sense of closer behind the piece is important. while for some it might seem they are cramming too much into the end, it seems to be how the steps are set up. reflect and review and understand all the steps that have lead one to get to this point. a excellent way to end a very epic, long and important journey in Mike's life.

The Best Of Times: I feel rather sad when listening to this song. I remember the day that Mike's father passed away. The vibe of the online community seemed effected, as a main supporter was lost. Yet this song is a strong way for fans of the future to remember an important man who helped Mike be who he is, and DT's name. Knowing that Howard was able to hear Mike play this song, and sing it for him before his passing is very moving. Mike shows his love very well. James does an excellent job in trying to provide that voice to the sadness, and yet gratefulness Mike has written. The music i feel fits the entire piece. From the slow and peaceful piano/violin duet, to the calm guitar, to even the trill Guitar and the strong old DT fashion. as ACOS did for his mother, this song preserves what Mike felt represented his father to himself. a strong and powerful song, and i hope that Howard was pleased with how Mike was able to express his love for this father. the ending guitar solo and as it fades seems that this song could go on forever in proof of how much Mike loves his father. Very powerful.

The Count Of Tuscany:This has to be my new all time favorite song. The story and images that are put to words are absolutely amazing. There is suspense, and yet there is the god ol' DT epic fashion. My favorite part is the "I want to Stay alive" part. I can't get that part out of my head. The darkness and fear is portrayed very well. I find it rather hard to believe this could be a real story. The intro starts out rather calmer then expected, but soon it doesn't let down. I hear the build up and the true DT fashion of weird time signatures. James' vocals, gold. the split "let me introduce" with James and Mike is absolutely awesome, esp with the snarls James uses.  the references to how past Counts have been is great, and really makes you wonder if you'll make it out alive. The guitar "wonder"/solo/ middle of the song is cool. You don't know where the notes will change, yet you can just know what the note will be. I found myself able to sing the notes of the guitar as they changed with very little adjustment of tone. The calm guitar returning and James coming back with "Could this be the end?" is a great way to change the mood of the song, and make you feel that maybe this is the end. having doubt in survival and impending doom, to only change it with the Count trying to say to not be afraid, and understand history doesn't always repeat is just a great way to end this song.


Overall: I have a little bit of ideas as to why many people seem to complain about this album. Yet the with level of the complaining, i find it rather excessive. now that i have heard the album for myself, and I have been able to enjoy it for all its' worth, I don't what there isn't to like. I find this as another DT masterpiece.

forgive me if none of my song reviews make sense, I for some strange reason decided to review the album when it was 2 in the morning (my time)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on June 26, 2009, 03:46:04 pm
Your review was nice, it makes more sense to me than your username anyway  ;D

Btw, one thing that I thought about was how the "Every cloud has a silver lining" theme can be applied to nearly all of the lyrics... see it this way:

A NIGHTMARE TO REMEMBER
Black Cloud: A car accident
Silver Lining: Everyone survived

A RITE OF PASSAGE
This one is the only "neutral" song of the album probably...

WITHER
Black Cloud: Having "writer's block"
Silver Lining: There are ways to regain inspiration

THE SHATTERED FORTRESS
Black Cloud: Being addicted
Silver Lining: Finally sobering up after commiting to it

THE BEST OF TIMES
Black Cloud: Loss and death
Silver Lining: Cheering a lifetime of nice and precious memories together

THE COUNT OF TUSCANY
Black Cloud: The Count wants to kill JP
Silver Lining: The Count does not want to kill JP  ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Natt on June 26, 2009, 03:52:45 pm

THE COUNT OF TUSCANY
Black Cloud: The Count wants to kill JP
Silver Lining: The Count does not want to kill JP  ;D
win  :D

well done! Really, for some reason, AROP doesn't fall in this "black clouds vs silver linings" concept



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 26, 2009, 08:27:27 pm
Your review was nice, it makes more sense to me than your username anyway  ;D

heh yeah... I should just put a F.A.Q. in my signature as to what my username means...




otherwise just call me Ash if you don't like w34vil, or w34...


thank you.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Jacob on June 27, 2009, 10:15:09 am
I've been missing all of you, guys! Too much work lately ... timeless to respond!

About BC&SL ... Oh, I can't stop listening from the time I received it right now. I'm that excited to see the guys perfoming these new songs alive.

I'm among TSF, TCoT and ANTR. Which will I choose as my favorite?

Hello Serox!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: SomeGuy on June 27, 2009, 11:59:13 am
Your review was nice, it makes more sense to me than your username anyway  ;D

Btw, one thing that I thought about was how the "Every cloud has a silver lining" theme can be applied to nearly all of the lyrics... see it this way:

A NIGHTMARE TO REMEMBER
Black Cloud: A car accident
Silver Lining: Everyone survived

A RITE OF PASSAGE
This one is the only "neutral" song of the album probably...

WITHER
Black Cloud: Having "writer's block"
Silver Lining: There are ways to regain inspiration

THE SHATTERED FORTRESS
Black Cloud: Being addicted
Silver Lining: Finally sobering up after commiting to it

THE BEST OF TIMES
Black Cloud: Loss and death
Silver Lining: Cheering a lifetime of nice and precious memories together

THE COUNT OF TUSCANY
Black Cloud: The Count wants to kill JP
Silver Lining: The Count does not want to kill JP  ;D
AROP:
Black cloud: there's some narrator, who tells someone else to get through a gate to a better world. And he doesn't, for some reason, yet he suffers where he currently is.
Silver lining: that guy walks through the gate and sees a better world, restarting his life.

I didn't understand the song itself, but I did understand what the black cloud and the silver lining are in it.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 27, 2009, 04:27:52 pm
today i discovered something very interesting in the town next to mine... there is a Freemasonry there. it was a big DUH when their had the image on the building... kind of funny to think that had DT not done AROP, i would have never noticed...


and it brought up an interesting fact, one of my relatives was apart of a Freemasonry...


guess we all learn something new everyday....


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on June 28, 2009, 01:28:57 am
Misc Thoughts:

It's weird that I haven't heard the instrumentals nor the cover versions....WTF!

I find it amazing that after each listen, I keep coming for more.

I have bought the 3 versions of BC. I still haven't received the producer's edition and I'm pretty pissed about since it was supposed to be here last week. The 3cd version's packaging sucks big time...I hate those cardboard cd sleeves...and the booklet is glued to the packaging (that's why I decided to get the regular version).

Seems like my two favorite tracks are The Count, and Wither....Followed by A Nightmare and Best of Times....followed by AROP and TSF. I guess those are the 3 groups that I have classified the songs for which I like...



Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Irock on June 28, 2009, 03:08:30 am
I haven't heard the covers or the instrumental versions either. I haven't gotten tired of the album itself yet. :]


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: ERiKofSWE90 on June 28, 2009, 09:34:24 am
The disc is on its way here, I ordered the extra version, with original album, covers and the intrumental version. Still I wonder why they out in intrumental versions? Whats the real point.....maybe so we can pretend to be James singing in the living room? hahaha


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Natt on June 28, 2009, 04:40:25 pm
The disc is on its way here, I ordered the extra version, with original album, covers and the intrumental version. Still I wonder why they out in intrumental versions? Whats the real point.....maybe so we can pretend to be James singing in the living room? hahaha

I think the real point is that we can hear parts that on regular version are covered with vocals


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Dargor on June 28, 2009, 06:43:03 pm
Well, we hear the importance of vocals and sense what is lacking when vocals are absent... And just because some is lacking, these instrumentals have their own character with a different soul - even though musically differences are very minor. We can hum along, sing along even if we wish, without feeling embarrassed because James does sing certain notes perfectly and we don't. I like how the instrumentals compare to the originals, how it all sounds when James isn't there. Yes, it is very different at times in a way, and it's cool to experience.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on June 28, 2009, 10:07:41 pm
Well, we hear the importance of vocals and sense what is lacking when vocals are absent... And just because some is lacking, these instrumentals have their own character with a different soul - even though musically differences are very minor. We can hum along, sing along even if we wish, without feeling embarrassed because James does sing certain notes perfectly and we don't. I like how the instrumentals compare to the originals, how it all sounds when James isn't there. Yes, it is very different at times in a way, and it's cool to experience.

the only thing is the instrumentals don't really have the solos, which is cool, but it does change the song.

And your right in ANTR i didn't know about a specific keyboard riff until i listened to it... NOW i hear it under James' voice :)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on June 29, 2009, 11:09:41 am
AROP:
Black cloud: there's some narrator, who tells someone else to get through a gate to a better world. And he doesn't, for some reason, yet he suffers where he currently is.
Silver lining: that guy walks through the gate and sees a better world, restarting his life.

I didn't understand the song itself, but I did understand what the black cloud and the silver lining are in it.

Well, the song is about freemasonry, that's why probably there's not much good things / bad things going on in there... it has a specific subject and it's not a story about some events with positive and negative sides...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Omunae on June 30, 2009, 03:54:28 pm
I've been listening to the Count of Tuscany on my way to and from work every day haha, I seriously love that song. The Shattered Fortress is really good too, other than those two though I listen to Stargazer and To Tame a Land. Everything else is on the album is meh.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Irock on July 01, 2009, 02:54:00 pm
I find every song on the album to be amazing. But we all can't have the same opinions.

I've been listening to The Count of Tuscany a lot in the past 2 days. I can't get it out of my head. ;o;


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 01, 2009, 02:57:06 pm
I've been listening to The Count of Tuscany a lot in the past 2 days. I can't get it out of my head. ;o;

"I want to stay alive..."  ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Dargor on July 01, 2009, 04:53:10 pm
I was amazed today to find the special limited vinyl edition of BC & SL in a regular music store today. Placed in between 'normal' other records  ;D Of course, the shape (thickness) betrayed it... so I went to check what it was, and to my surprise I had the special edition in my hands. But I won't spend 79 euro's on it.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Jacob on July 04, 2009, 08:00:29 am
I'm among TSF and TCoT and ANTR. This album is anthalogic!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on July 08, 2009, 04:55:14 pm
Some more random musings on this album, particularly the lyrics...

First off, in A Nightmare to Remember, doesn't anybody find odd the reason for the accident? "The uninvited stranger started dancing on his own, so we said goodbye to the glowing bride and we made our way back home"... so, if I got this right, there's a supposedly wedding party, someone that was not even invited starts to dance, spoils the party for everyone, and so disgusted and annoyed the Petrucci family goes home earlier, getting therefore involved in a car accident that would have not happened had they stayed as they originally planned?  :P

And also, about The Count of Tuscany... as simple and too much straightforward the lyrics may be, there's still something obscure and not solved, for me, about them.... the lines where it talks about the soldiers: "History recalls during times of war"... well, history may recall, but Google doesn't  :P I googled every possible combinations of words that talked of a legend about soldiers hiding in barrels of wine and then dying there, but I have found absolutely nothing. I hoped that would have been a strong indication of the castle where the story supposedly took place, but I wasn't able to find anything...

Anyway, one doubt about this I can clear, thanks to my "inside knowledge" of being italian  :P and what I can totally assure you (and those on the other boards discussing this  :P) that the story, whatever it talks about, has nothing to do with Pietro Pacciani.
You see, I'm italian, I don't live in Tuscany but I know it and I've been there quite many times, so I guess you'll all agree that just by these facts alone I have a better feel for what may regard it, and for what it doesn't.
To make you an example, let's imagine that we're dealing with a story set in Paris; most of us europeans probably have been there at least once, and many of non-French people probably would "know" the town quite well, and for things we don't know, we'd look it up on the internet, but I guess we can all agree that someone that ACTUALLY lives in Paris must have a better "feel" for what's going on there, and if a story may talk about an issue rather than the other, right? to make an example: I can picture the roads JP and the count are travelling in the first part of the song, because I've been there so I've seen the sceneries JP wants to portray... and I exactly know and feel what he's talking about and the mental image he wants to convey!

Well, the story with Pietro Pacciani, and the one of the "Monster of Florence", is one of brutal murders of couples around the surroundings of Florence, hence the name for the "monster"... Pacciani, who was eventually tried for these crimes, was a very simple peasant, old by the time he was caught, and therefore a product of his time, and of his rural reality. He was violent, ignorant, rugged, rough, as far as I remember he didn't know to write, and I'm sure he knew dialect better than the italian language. Same for the two other persons that were tried with him, they were all ignorant farmers. I don't even mean "ignorant" as an insult, it's just a reality and a product of the time the fact that many countryside small villages counted endless simpletons who were analphabets and stuck in the mindframe of the post WW II era....

The song however talks of counts, of historians, of pictoresque estates, of a castle, of chapels, saints, altars, wine...... there's nothing that can be further from the reality of the "monster of Florence" cases and from the reality of Pietro Pacciani. Pacciani's world was not made of castles and wines and estates and soldiers and saints, it was a world made of working the land, a world of ignorance, a world of violence (in his younger years he murdered a love rival), a world of not knowing how to write, a rough, simple and retrogade world. You "outside" people may (as I would do with something that does not belong to my reality of every day) look up informations for strange mysteries in Tuscany and end up reading about the "monster of Florence", and (how to blame anyone) wonder if maybe there's a connection, but if I didn't convince you all with my explanation of how the two worlds (Pacciani's reality and the theme of the song) have nothing in common, I'll just have to ask you to trust me on this because my let's-call-it "inner knowledge" just tells me better than a gut feeling that there's no way in hell the song is about Pacciani. I make again my Paris example, no matter how many info we may find about an hypothetical mystery in Paris - we'd just have to trust someone who actually lives there and that has a better feel of what may concern his town and what not, right?  ;)

So, tell whoever you may want to tell and that is being puzzled by the Count of Tuscany's lyrics, that it's absolutely dead certain that the song has nothing to do at all with the monster of Florence and Pietro Pacciani  ;) but don't ask me who is this count and where is his castle 'cause I haven't figured it out just yet  :P


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on July 08, 2009, 08:02:57 pm
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2346868-p4.aspx

Check Weymolith's post...Seems it is about Pacciani since he lies in a glass coffin or something like that...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on July 09, 2009, 04:11:15 am
Well, Wey is wrong  ;)

The monster of Florence murders were all sexual double murders, the victims were all couples making out in hidden suburbs or camps around Florence, and as I explained Pietro Pacciani was a product of his time: an ignorant, analphabet, rough, violent and rugged peasant, not exactly one that you could have a discussion about literature or philosophy. I'm old enough to remember one of the latest killings being talked in TV, and I saw the trials of Pacciani and his two mates... I even remember when Pacciani died, it was the evening I was to leave on a school trip to Paris.

So, being fully aware of the history of the monster of Florence and the trials of three old ignorant peasants (as I said, "ignorant" is not even an insult, it's a matter of fact, they were simpletons... to give you an example, when questioned about their affairs, the three old peasants just said that they were nothing more than "snacks buddies". This is how they went down in popular culture, "the snacks buddies"... whoah, very noble-sounding, mh? ;) ), it's just very plain clear to me that the reality of Pacciani and his "snacks buddies" does NOT fit at all in a story about a castle, about history, about legends, about bearded gentlemen and about counts.

For all the conspiracy theories that there may be about the double homicides and about the possibility that they were ordered by a sect or a cult, I can't figure out for the life how me how Pacciani is supposed, after dying in 1998 and being buried, to end up in a castle... and dressed with royal clothes! and dubbed as a "saint"... a saint, yeah, right. A poor and ignorant farmer, convicted in his youth for murder, and unable to write his own mother language, dressed in royal clothes in a castle. It makes absolutely no sense at all, trust me on this.

So, let me state once again that Pietro Pacciani has nothing to do with The Count of Tuscany's lyrics. And if he has something to do with it... in the sense that someone of the band told Wey or anybody else that this is what the subject is about... then the whole story is a work of fiction that JP came up with, and nothing of it is true, because there's no way at all that the story of Pacciani fits with the story of the lyrics.

I hope I don't sound arrogant with my dead certainty, but I guess I deserve the advantage of my "inner knowledge" about Italy in bringing forth my explanations ;-) really, pick your favorite choices out these three:

1) The story, regardless of its real meaning, has nothing to do with Pacciani for the reasons I plently explained
2) The story is about Pacciani as therefore it is a complete work of fiction because the two things (lyrics and real story) are unrelated
3) The story is about Pacciani and JP believes it to be true, because he had too much Chianti wine  ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on July 09, 2009, 10:49:32 am
LOL @ the JP and wine comment.

Thanks for the insight.

Now, who is in a glass-like casket in Italy? Do you know something about this?


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on July 09, 2009, 01:53:29 pm
No, I don't know, and as I said I googled extensively many variations and permutations of the concepts "legend", "soldiers", "barrels of wine", "war" and so on.... I couldn't find any legend relating Tuscany that talks about soldiers hiding in barrels of wine and then dying in it. I didn't search however for relics of saints and bodies still being conserved intact.... that would not be such a complete unreal thing to happen; to make an example, the body of St. Ambrois, the patron of Milan, is still lying beneath his namesake basilica in Milan, and you can see him, the skeleton is dressed with clerical clothes and lies beneath the altar of his church. So I suppose there could be other relics of saints still preserved intact and dressed with finest robes, what it's weird is that I expect these bodies to be in churches, not in a castle.... even if the castle has a chapel. I'll search about this and let you all know if I find something....

EDIT: Clicking on these words you can see a picture of St. Ambrois, in white, and two other saints, one in red is visibile (http://santambrogio-basilica.it/immagini/P5260015.JPG), buried beneath the altar of St. Ambrois' basilica in Milan, just to give you an idea. I'll try to find a list of such holy bodies of saints still kept in Tuscany, since I didn't find any reference to a legend about soldiers hiding from war in barrels of wine....


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on July 09, 2009, 03:37:38 pm
FOUND IT!!!!!

I'm not entirely certain, but I have a feeling that I found out the whereabouts of the Count of Tuscany :)

THE CASTLE

Enjoy this view of the Castle of the town of Capraia, in Tuscany, Florence province: http://toscana.indettaglio.it/ita/mailing_list/numeri_mailing_list/images/2009/2009_02.jpg

Yeah, I know it's quite in ruins, and can't really be inhabitated by now... but the lyrics tell us of the arrival in a "pictoresque estate", not in a castle, and this castle's walls are surrounding a good portion of the town of Capraia.

THE CHURCH

I found out about this church on this italian site: http://www.visitvaldelsa.com/toscana/capraia_limite/cosa_visitare/chiesa_di_santo_stefano.htm

It goes at the start : "The church of St. Stephan is found within the boundary wall of the castle of Capraia, founded on a chapel whose origins trace back to the year 1100".

Wikipedia page about the church, italian only: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiesa_di_Santo_Stefano_(Capraia_Fiorentina)

The middle paragraph goes: "In a small chapel, inside the church, we find the urn containing the body of Santa Grania, a martyr deeply venerated by the Capraia people".

Picture of the chapel with the body: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capraia_-_S_Stefano_3.jpg

If this is not a saint behind the altar...

THE PLACE

"At last we came upon a pictoresque estate".... the Wiki page of Capraia (I give you the english link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capraia_e_Limite - but the italian page is the only one with the info I'm about to post) lists among the places of interest the Bibbiani estate (italian only link: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_di_Bibbiani ).

This villa is described as an "elegant palace, placed on the meridional slope of the Montalbano hills, and has earned its great fame to the big park it lies in, one of the most important acclimation gardens of Italy"... it is enough to be a pictoresque estate on sprawling emerald fields? ;)

This place as a website, italian only: http://www.bibbianifattoria.it/ , which consists of scans of a depliant, check it out for pictures. And guess what, the depliant talks, among other things, of WINE!!! no soldiers, alas, but wine is addressed, the good and renowed Chianti wine is being produced also here.

THE COUNT

Who is the Count of Tuscany? I don't know, alas :P the Villa Bibbiani is currently owned by the Del Gratta family, but no search gives something about the Count Del Gratta... but so far I have found a castle, a chapel, a saint, a pictoresque estate, and the wine, is that enough? ;)

Oh, and on a side note: Capraia is in the province of Florence, and not faraway, therefore, from Florence itself. Even before starting any research, it always made sense to me that Petrucci, as a foreign tourist, was in one of the MAJOR tourists attractions: either Florence, or Siena. Dunno, but it makes perfect sense to me that JP visits Florence, finds the count, and then is being invited into a nearby place leaving the town behind while driving through the hills, as I said having beeen there for real more than once (Florence AND Tuscany) I so picture in my head the scene of Florence left behind while the landscape changes to the one of hills and smaller towns I have seen for real with my eyes.


So, this is it, it didn't even take me that long to find out all of these things :P I'm not 100% sure that I have actually nailed it all, but am I too much arrogant if I claim that, until proven wrong, my theory could be held as the most plausible one? :)

ps: the website of the Bibbiani estate has a mail.... should I be so foolish to write them and ask if there is a legend about soldiers in the wine? :P

np: Dream Theater - The Count of Tuscany


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 09, 2009, 10:46:19 pm
Dream Theater's New Album Is A Global Success:

 There’s more good news for Dream Theater, who are making a powerful impact all over the globe as they enjoy the greatest chart success of their 25-year career. Having debuted this week at #6 on Billboard’s Top 200 album chart with Black Clouds & Silver Linings (Roadrunner) - their 10th studio release — the legendary progressive metal masters are now celebrating with a #1 debut on the Billboard European chart and another 10 Top Ten album chart debuts around the world.

Black Clouds & Silver Linings has entered the Top Ten in these countries: Finland (#1), Sweden (#3), Germany (#3), Netherlands (#3), Hungary (#4), Italy (#5), Mexico (#7), Japan (#8), France (#9) and Switzerland (#9).

In addition, the album - an uncompromising work that has been hailed as a "masterpiece" by 411mania.com (June 2009) - debuted in the Top 40 in Spain (#13), Portugal (#14), Australia (#16), the U.K. (#23), Denmark (#27), Poland (#33) and Belgium (#34).

Dream Theater has now sold in excess of 10,000,000 records and DVD's worldwide.

This news comes as Dream Theater - James LaBrie (vocals), John Myung (bass), John Petrucci (guitar, vocals), Mike Portnoy (drums, percussion, vocals) and Jordan Rudess (keyboards, Continuum) - broke records in Europe last month, playing to festival crowds of over 80,000 adoring fans. The band made their debut appearance in Israel last month, rocking a crowd 10,000 strong.

Dream Theater’s own "Progressive Nation" tour returns stateside on July 24 in Miami, and will feature Dream Theater as headliner, Zappa Plays Zappa, Bigelf and Scale The Summit. The North American tour - which marks the second incarnation of Progressive Nation — wraps on August 29 in Los Angeles.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: ERiKofSWE90 on July 10, 2009, 04:05:31 pm
Yeah Im also intrested in the lyrical meaning of The Count of Tuscany. But Im more intrested in why exactly Petrucci got so scared about it, becouse I actually think he kinda changed the story a bit...I read an interview when he talked about the lyrics. DT were on a tour in Italy and he and hes guitartech was about to go to an old whine-place, which was held in a scary castle...that seems to be it! :-\

Great song, funny lyrics! ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 10, 2009, 04:28:20 pm
Yeah Im also intrested in the lyrical meaning of The Count of Tuscany. But Im more intrested in why exactly Petrucci got so scared about it, becouse I actually think he kinda changed the story a bit...I read an interview when he talked about the lyrics. DT were on a tour in Italy and he and hes guitartech was about to go to an old whine-place, which was held in a scary castle...that seems to be it! :-\

Great song, funny lyrics! ;D

The "brother" the Count talks about is the man that Hannibal Lecter is based off of. The Count is trying to be innocent, by showing the truth behind he's brother's life style...


look on Mike's forum and you'll see a TON of information about TCoT


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on July 10, 2009, 05:03:35 pm
Anyway, it's just me that thinks that the brother is actually dead? first off, as JP's guitar tech is not mentioned at all in the lyrics, I don't really think we should take this story as literal... it's probably more of a Big Fish kind of story, for those who saw the movie  ;) but neither the brother of the Count seems to act in any kind of active way, and at the end the Count tells "I would never try to hurt you"... shouldn't he say "we would never try to hurt you", since one of the two is supposedly a cannibal? throughout all the lyrics I get the impression that it's just JP and the Count, and the brother is described probably through a painting...

Also, this could justify the "I come here late at night to pray to HIM by candlelight"... maybe the Count prays for his dead brother - this could explain (of course assuming that I actually find out the right place in Capraia) why there's a mention of a "him", while the saint behind the altar is actually a female saint...

About what scared JP, it was probably the fear of being either eaten, or killed - but as I said I guess this is a Big Fish kind of story where some sips of Chianti fueled John's imagination  ;D

This is the story in a nutshell, after all... don't tell me it makes that sense taken at face value  ;D

JP: *travels to Italy, meets Count*
Count: Wanna come with me for a ride, I'll be your guide.
JP: Ok.
Count: Ok, here's my castle, do you know that my brother inspired Hannibal Lecter's character?
JP:  uh.... nice......
Count: Oh, and also come in the cellar, do you know of a legend of soldiers hiding in barrels of wine and then dying inside it?
JP: Ehr.... ok.....
Count: Wanna have a sip of wine, ahr ahr ahr?
JP: No, come on please, don't kill me, I didn't do anything wrong!
Count: Uh? I didn't want to kill you, man...
JP: So can I go?
Count: Sure, go and tell everyone about this!

 :D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 10, 2009, 05:13:13 pm
Anyway, it's just me that thinks that the brother is actually dead? first off, as JP's guitar tech is not mentioned at all in the lyrics, I don't really think we should take this story as literal... it's probably more of a Big Fish kind of story, for those who saw the movie  ;) but neither the brother of the Count seems to act in any kind of active way, and at the end the Count tells "I would never try to hurt you"... shouldn't he say "we would never try to hurt you", since one of the two is supposedly a cannibal? throughout all the lyrics I get the impression that it's just JP and the Count, and the brother is described probably through a painting...

Also, this could justify the "I come here late at night to pray to HIM by candlelight"... maybe the Count prays for his dead brother - this could explain (of course assuming that I actually find out the right place in Capraia) why there's a mention of a "him", while the saint behind the altar is actually a female saint...

About what scared JP, it was probably the fear of being either eaten, or killed - but as I said I guess this is a Big Fish kind of story where some sips of Chianti fueled John's imagination  ;D

This is the story in a nutshell, after all... don't tell me it makes that sense taken at face value  ;D

JP: *travels to Italy, meets Count*
Count: Wanna come with me for a ride, I'll be your guide.
JP: Ok.
Count: Ok, here's my castle, do you know that my brother inspired Hannibal Lecter's character?
JP:  uh.... nice......
Count: Oh, and also come in the cellar, do you know of a legend of soldiers hiding in barrels of wine and then dying inside it?
JP: Ehr.... ok.....
Count: Wanna have a sip of wine, ahr ahr ahr?
JP: No, come on please, don't kill me, I didn't do anything wrong!
Count: Uh? I didn't want to kill you, man...
JP: So can I go?
Count: Sure, go and tell everyone about this!

 :D

It sounds like the brother is dead, and the painting idea... but for the saint, i think that might have been a misheard by JP (since many times specific words have gender pronouns tired to them)

as for the Count being like his brother remember that "That isn't who I am" part... I think the Count is trying to clean his name, which has been "tainted" by his brother, and he tires to educate people on who his brother is, and the history of it all, while still trying to show that he is different then what history depicts...

or at least that's what i get from it...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Donna on July 15, 2009, 04:31:37 pm
Well, it would be interesting to find out what TCOT is really about IF John ever gives it up!   :D :D :D  Andrea, I asked my mom if she remembered the serial killer (as she used to get RAI UNO here in Toronto until the cable company started charging stupid amounts for it...) and she vaguely remembers the case. 

HOWEVER.....my fav COVER song is TYFFMH....I just friggin LOVE IT!!!  \M/


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: JMXfan12 on July 21, 2009, 07:56:05 am
OMG!! Such a good album!! James LaBrie's singing was superb!!! Keep it up!!


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on July 27, 2009, 11:46:18 pm
This album keeps getting better and better...

I'm going to burn a cd with the LP vinyl trackllist...supposedly it sounds way better...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 27, 2009, 11:48:29 pm
This album keeps getting better and better...

I'm going to burn a cd with the LP vinyl trackllist...supposedly it sounds way better...

I need to get myself a USB record player... i've got a lot of vinyls I'd love to listen to... esp some of my 80's hair metal bands that don't exist anymore :)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: goo-goo on July 28, 2009, 12:29:32 am
This album keeps getting better and better...

I'm going to burn a cd with the LP vinyl trackllist...supposedly it sounds way better...

I need to get myself a USB record player... i've got a lot of vinyls I'd love to listen to... esp some of my 80's hair metal bands that don't exist anymore :)

no no...i didn't explain myself on this one...just the way the tracks are arranged....supposedly bc and sl does sound better in the vinyl format but i don't have a player..i'm just messing with the track order, which would be:

A Nightmare To Remember 16:10
A Rite Of Passage 8:35
The Shattered Fortress 12:46
Wither 5:25
The Best Of Times 13:19
The Count Of Tuscany 18:18


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on July 28, 2009, 12:58:09 am
This album keeps getting better and better...

I'm going to burn a cd with the LP vinyl trackllist...supposedly it sounds way better...

I need to get myself a USB record player... i've got a lot of vinyls I'd love to listen to... esp some of my 80's hair metal bands that don't exist anymore :)

no no...i didn't explain myself on this one...just the way the tracks are arranged....supposedly bc and sl does sound better in the vinyl format but i don't have a player..i'm just messing with the track order, which would be:

A Nightmare To Remember 16:10
A Rite Of Passage 8:35
The Shattered Fortress 12:46
Wither 5:25
The Best Of Times 13:19
The Count Of Tuscany 18:18

i knew that was what you meant.... I was kinda thinking out loud when i posted...


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Metropolis on July 29, 2009, 11:07:24 am
Well I haven't heard the new album yet. I will get it these days. I hope it's at least a bit better than Systematic chaos cause that album was a huge huge dissapointment  ::) ::) :'( :( >:(


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Jacob on July 30, 2009, 09:58:50 am
My album finally just arrived this Monday. I'm so happy for that. You know here in Brazil it's been not available since its releasing in June.  :P


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Metropolis on July 30, 2009, 11:44:13 am
Well I just got it now.I actually burned it from a friend.I just don't feel like buying it.I mean if I don't like the album I just don't want to spend money on it and I'm actually really glad I didn't bought systematic chaos cause as I said to me it was a big dissapointment.  ::) :(


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on August 01, 2009, 04:15:21 am
But you like it enough to get a copy from your friend, uh?  :P


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Metropolis on August 01, 2009, 12:26:26 pm
But you like it enough to get a copy from your friend, uh?  :P


Well,actually Yes!!!!  :P ;D ;D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Donna on August 01, 2009, 02:07:18 pm
Well, much as we know that 90% of people nowadays will d/l their music before buying it,  I wouldn't go making it that public here particularly on this Board.  We all know that James frowns on it A LOT.   Just say you are "borrowing it" from your friend for now.   ;)
But you know Karlo, once you have listened to it, you WILL buy it.  I just know it...it's an amazing CD.  But it's just my opinion, of course.  You listen to it a few times, and make your own mind up, and let us know.... ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Metropolis on August 03, 2009, 10:48:05 am
Well, much as we know that 90% of people nowadays will d/l their music before buying it,  I wouldn't go making it that public here particularly on this Board.  We all know that James frowns on it A LOT.   Just say you are "borrowing it" from your friend for now.   ;)
But you know Karlo, once you have listened to it, you WILL buy it.  I just know it...it's an amazing CD.  But it's just my opinion, of course.  You listen to it a few times, and make your own mind up, and let us know.... ;)


Oh,sorry Donna I completely forgot. I'm not gonna  make stuff like that public anymore.  :-X
But thanks anyway I haven't had time yet to listen to it but I hope I will like it  :) ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Donna on August 04, 2009, 08:53:42 am
Nice review!   

Well, I finally got on the back of our motorcycle (ST1300 for those that don't know) and rode to this CD.  It fits SO WELL and it's so amazing to ride to, I listened to some of it twice!  Tears in my helmet too...OIE VAY!!!  :D :D :D


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: SomeGuy on August 12, 2009, 06:43:55 pm
Wow. I bought the 3-CD set a few weeks ago and it's just beautiful.
ANTR sounds like everything DT knows to do. Awesome metal, quiet parts, some nice singing from MP, Awesome solos from JP and JR, long and satisfying, yet you can't get tired of it. I love that song, it's truly a masterpiece only DT can do.
James did an incredible job, all over the song.
Can't say much, it's simply amazing.

AROP - a very catchy song. After a quite short (in DT's terms) intro, James' voice comes in out of some voices, and there we go again...to an incredible world o-o
The verse and the awesome chorus are played over a few times, along with a nice, more melodic part sometimes (that "men of wealth and power..." thing). And just when you think it's one of the simple songs DT make, an awesome solo begins, one of those who make me wanna stop playing guitar.

Wither - Probably nearly the top of DT's ballads over the recent albums. It shows how DT can sometimes "calm down" with their crazy abilities, and still make beautiful songs. The solo is beautiful too.

TSF - Wow. I know it sounds a lot like the other 4 parts of Mike's songs about alcohol (excluding The Mirror), but it's beautiful, lyrically and musically. That song is a lot like ANTR, I won't get enough of it soon. It also has the highest note for James in the album, practically, and I have to say, his voice sounds awesome overall.

TBOT - a really good song, which sounds a lot like the way people would describe DT, probably with some softer elements because of the hurtful topic of it. Mike deserves a huge appreciation for finding the "silver lining" in every time of his life. And John does some amazing things in the end.
And i'm sorry for Mike.

TCOT - oh well, not much to say about that one. It's an amazing song, probably joined to the group of DT's really long songs. Amazing intro, amazing verses, chorus, amazing quite part, amazing 4:30-minutes-outro. I hope someone would interview John (or maybe Lifting Shadows will do that), describing the experience completely, because it's still hard to understand what he was scared of. But, considering something was really scary there, both the lyrics and the music are awesome.

Great job DT.


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on September 10, 2009, 01:48:10 pm
Bringing this one alive 'cause I'm still determined to find the whereabouts of the Count of Tuscany  ;D

Rich Wilson offered what is the most enlighting comment so far from JP about the song:

Quote
Here's a small extract for you. This is a small part of the section where JP talks about the story behind "The Count Of Tuscany" :
 
“We then pulled up at this vineyard and it was unbelievable,” continues John. “It was breathtaking and was a combination of an old castle with servants’ quarters and vines with a more modern distillery section. We went in there and met his brother and he was a total character right off the bat. He was smoking a pipe and speaking with an English accent, even though he was Italian, and he was telling us story after story about the wars and the land. So we did everything from look at the grapes on the vine to going down into the cellars to taste the wine right from the barrels. It was really interesting but there were just so many bizarre things that kept on happening. We had this Hannibal thing in the back of our heads and any time something freaky happened we would just look at each other and be like ‘Well, it’s been nice knowing you!"

So, this tells us a couple of things...
- First and foremost, as I always suspected, the story is a bit romanticized and fictional, a-là "Big Fish", and not an exact and literal recount of the events - just the fact that John was with his guitar tech and not "sitting alone, no one by his side" gives it away  ;)
- The brother exists and he's alive!!! I thought he was dead (thus the need to be remembered) and that JP saw him just on a portrait...
- The place is an ancient castle with a more moden vinery, and I'm not so sure anymore that I guessed right in guessing about the town of Capraia for the place of it all...

I read on MP's forum another theory about the place, and it seemed more realistic than mine (and of course it didn't involve Pietro Pacciani), I'll do some more search about old castles with modern distilleries in Tuscany  ;)


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: w34vi1 on September 10, 2009, 01:54:59 pm
Bringing this one alive 'cause I'm still determined to find the whereabouts of the Count of Tuscany  ;D

Rich Wilson offered what is the most enlighting comment so far from JP about the song:

Quote
Here's a small extract for you. This is a small part of the section where JP talks about the story behind "The Count Of Tuscany" :
 
“We then pulled up at this vineyard and it was unbelievable,” continues John. “It was breathtaking and was a combination of an old castle with servants’ quarters and vines with a more modern distillery section. We went in there and met his brother and he was a total character right off the bat. He was smoking a pipe and speaking with an English accent, even though he was Italian, and he was telling us story after story about the wars and the land. So we did everything from look at the grapes on the vine to going down into the cellars to taste the wine right from the barrels. It was really interesting but there were just so many bizarre things that kept on happening. We had this Hannibal thing in the back of our heads and any time something freaky happened we would just look at each other and be like ‘Well, it’s been nice knowing you!"

So, this tells us a couple of things...
- First and foremost, as I always suspected, the story is a bit romanticized and fictional, a-là "Big Fish", and not an exact and literal recount of the events - just the fact that John was with his guitar tech and not "sitting alone, no one by his side" gives it away  ;)
- The brother exists and he's alive!!! I thought he was dead (thus the need to be remembered) and that JP saw him just on a portrait...
- The place is an ancient castle with a more moden vinery, and I'm not so sure anymore that I guessed right in guessing about the town of Capraia for the place of it all...

I read on MP's forum another theory about the place, and it seemed more realistic than mine (and of course it didn't involve Pietro Pacciani), I'll do some more search about old castles with modern distilleries in Tuscany  ;)

according to a recent interview, it was actually a story that happened to JP's Guitar Tech...

i can't remember which interview it was through....


Title: Re: DT- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS DISCUSSION THREAD
Post by: Orodaran on September 10, 2009, 04:05:52 pm
I found out the castle I read about on MP's forum: http://www.tavolese.it/eng/index.htm

I feel tempted to write a mail about it  ;D